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kos penyelenggaraan dua kapal selam negara, iaitu KD Tunku Abdul Rahman dan KD Tun Abdul Razak, yang dikendalikan oleh Tentera Laut Diraja Malaysia dianggarkan RM50 juta setahun, kata Timbalan Menteri Pertahanan, Datuk Dr Abdul Latiff Ahmad.

NONEKatanya, kos itu meliputi perkhidmatan sokongan serta logistik kedua-dua kapal selam jenis Scorpene itu dan tidak melibatkan kos alat ganti.

Menjawab soalan Datuk Ibrahim Ali (Bebas-Pasir Mas) pada persidangan Dewan Rakyat hari ini, beliau berkata, kontrak penyelenggaraan kedua-dua aset strategik negara itu, telah dianugerahkan dan dilaksanakan oleh syarikat usaha sama tempatan dengan pembuat Scorpene iaitu Boustead DCNS Naval Corporation Sdn Bhd.

Abdul Latiff berkata, kontrak antara kerajaan dan syarikat penyelenggaraan itu meliputi perjanjian selama enam tahun.

NONE"Penyelenggaraan (setiap sebuah kapal selam) bernilai RM25 juta setahun itu untuk pastikan kita (negara) sebagai pengguna aset itu boleh menggunakan aset itu pada bila-bila masa.

"Kalau ia tidak boleh memenuhi hasrat TLDM, kita boleh denda (syarikat itu) mengikut perjanjian yang dimeterai,” katanya Malaysia menempah dua kapal selam baru jenis Scorpene dengan kos pembelian berjumlah RM3.4 bilion pada 2002 yang dibina secara bersama oleh DCNS dari Perancis dan Navantia, syarikat pembuat kapal selam dari Sepanyol.

- Bernama




p/s: ITU LAH.......BELI LAGI KAPAL SELAM 'SECOND HAND' DAH lah SECOND HAND, MAHAL PULAK TU...TAK TAHU lah...MAHAL SEBAB PENJUAL LETAK HARGA TINGGI KE ATAU PEMBELI DARI MALAYSIA NI YANG SAJA LETAK TINGGI SEBAB nak SONGLAP DUIT RAKYAT....WALLAHUALAM..............
BILA PEMBANGKANG AJAK BERBINCANG SOAL PEMBELIAN NI TAK NAK...SEDANGKAN DARI PEMBANGKANG pun BANYAK ENGINERR2. INI KE DIKATAKAN DEMOKRASI?

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Pada 31-03-11 08:56 , Musafir_Ufuk_Timur posting:

!!! QUOTE !!!

kos penyelenggaraan dua kapal selam negara, iaitu KD Tunku Abdul Rahman dan KD Tun Abdul Razak, yang dikendalikan oleh Tentera Laut Diraja Malaysia dianggarkan RM50 juta setahun, kata Timbalan Menteri Pertahanan, Datuk Dr Abdul Latiff Ahmad.

NONEKatanya, kos itu meliputi perkhidmatan sokongan serta logistik kedua-dua kapal selam jenis Scorpene itu dan tidak melibatkan kos alat ganti.

Menjawab soalan Datuk Ibrahim Ali (Bebas-Pasir Mas) pada persidangan Dewan Rakyat hari ini, beliau berkata, kontrak penyelenggaraan kedua-dua aset strategik negara itu, telah dianugerahkan dan dilaksanakan oleh syarikat usaha sama tempatan dengan pembuat Scorpene iaitu Boustead DCNS Naval Corporation Sdn Bhd.

Abdul Latiff berkata, kontrak antara kerajaan dan syarikat penyelenggaraan itu meliputi perjanjian selama enam tahun.

NONE"Penyelenggaraan (setiap sebuah kapal selam) bernilai RM25 juta setahun itu untuk pastikan kita (negara) sebagai pengguna aset itu boleh menggunakan aset itu pada bila-bila masa.

"Kalau ia tidak boleh memenuhi hasrat TLDM, kita boleh denda (syarikat itu) mengikut perjanjian yang dimeterai,” katanya Malaysia menempah dua kapal selam baru jenis Scorpene dengan kos pembelian berjumlah RM3.4 bilion pada 2002 yang dibina secara bersama oleh DCNS dari Perancis dan Navantia, syarikat pembuat kapal selam dari Sepanyol.

- Bernama




p/s: ITU LAH.......BELI LAGI KAPAL SELAM 'SECOND HAND' DAH lah SECOND HAND, MAHAL PULAK TU...TAK TAHU lah...MAHAL SEBAB PENJUAL LETAK HARGA TINGGI KE ATAU PEMBELI DARI MALAYSIA NI YANG SAJA LETAK TINGGI SEBAB nak SONGLAP DUIT RAKYAT....WALLAHUALAM..............
BILA PEMBANGKANG AJAK BERBINCANG SOAL PEMBELIAN NI TAK NAK...SEDANGKAN DARI PEMBANGKANG pun BANYAK ENGINERR2. INI KE DIKATAKAN DEMOKRASI?


IF OUR SUBMARINE DIDNT REPAIRR...

IT CANNOT 'SURVIVE''....

ISNT IT..??? :sopan:



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tentu lah....tapi hasil tindakan yang bodoh dari kerajaan pergi beli kapal yang tak ada kualiti kenapa?
dah kena keluar duit banyak-banyak nak repair2 selenggara.
beli macamsekadar melepaskan batuk ditangga.yang penting kroni2 dapat songlap duit...kedaqah duit rakyat no 1 umno bn

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Pada 31-03-11 11:47 , Musafir_Ufuk_Timur posting:

!!! QUOTE !!!

tentu lah....tapi hasil tindakan yang bodoh dari kerajaan pergi beli kapal yang tak ada kualiti Kenapa?
dah kena keluar duit banyak-banyak nak repair2 selenggara.
beli macamsekadar melepaskan batuk ditangga.yang penting kroni2 dapat songlap duit...kedaqah duit rakyat no 1 umno bn


I WANT YOU SHOW THE EVIDENCE THAT MALAYSIA BUY A 'BUNDLE' SUBMARINEE....

WHERE?? WHERE??

YOU FIND ITT...........

DONT BE A LIARRR..........

LET I SEE NOWWW..................... :sopan:



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habis tu kau cakap tak boleh survive kalau tak repair..

kau bagi lah bukti juga,survive jadah apa?kekekekekeke...

kau ni memang pencacai umno terbaik lah..kaki pusing...wakakkakakkaka

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Pada 31-03-11 14:46 , Musafir_Ufuk_Timur posting:

!!! QUOTE !!!

habis tu kau cakap tak boleh survive kalau tak repair..

kau bagi lah bukti juga,survive jadah apa?kekekekekeke...

kau ni memang pencacai umno terbaik lah..kaki pusing...wakakkakakkaka



YOU WANT TO SEE MY EVIDENCE??? :sopan:

LET SEE THIS....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpwvoWH6cQs

AND THISSS....

KAPAL SELAM SCORPENE

Kapal selam kelas Scorpèmana merupakan satu kelas kapal selam penyerang berkuasa diesel-elektrik . Ia memperlihatkan pendorongan diesel dan satu tambahan pendorongan bebas udara atau "air-independent propulsion" (AIP), yang telah dibangunkan bersama oleh syarikat Perancis DCNS, sebelum itu dikenali sebagai DCN, dan syarikat Sepanyol, Navantia (Dulu dikenali sebagai Bazan, kemudian Izar).

Tentera Laut Chile telah memesan dua Scorpèmana, yang akan menggantikan dua kapal selam kelas Oberon yang telah ditamatkan perkhidmatan oleh Tentera Laut Chile. Tentera Laut DiRaja Malaysia telah memesan dua (dinamakan juga kelas Perdana Menteri, dan Tentera Laut India telah memesan enam. Semuanya akan dibina di Mazagon Dock Limited, India dan tiga terakhir akan dilengkapi dengan modul AIP. Pada tahun 2008, Tentera Laut Brazil telah memesan empat buah Scorpèmana. Terdapat juga laporan yang mengatakan bahawa kapal selam kelima telah dipesan untuk dibangunkan sendiri dengan loji pendorongan nuklear. Walaupun ia mungkin satu jenis kapal selam kelas Barrakuda. Kapal selam Scorpèmana kelas O'Higgins dan Carrera milik Chile telah disempurnakan dalam tahun 2005 dan 2006 masing-masing, dan buat masa ini hanya dua beroperasi.

sumber:wikipedia...


WHERE YOUR EVIDENCE???

I WILL BE WAITINGGG..........

DONT BE A LIARRR..........

I WANT TO SEE TOOO...... :sopan:



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Pada 31-03-11 18:35 , FIRDAUSNUR posting:

!!! QUOTE !!!

Pada 31-03-11 14:46 , Musafir_Ufuk_Timur posting:

!!! QUOTE !!!

habis tu kau cakap tak boleh survive kalau tak repair..

kau bagi lah bukti juga,survive jadah apa?kekekekekeke...

kau ni memang pencacai umno terbaik lah..kaki pusing...wakakkakakkaka



YOU WANT TO SEE MY EVIDENCE??? :sopan:

LET SEE THIS....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpwvoWH6cQs

AND THISSS....

KAPAL SELAM SCORPENE

Kapal selam kelas Scorpèmana merupakan satu kelas kapal selam penyerang berkuasa diesel-elektrik . Ia memperlihatkan pendorongan diesel dan satu tambahan pendorongan bebas udara atau "air-independent propulsion" (AIP), yang telah dibangunkan bersama oleh syarikat Perancis DCNS, sebelum itu dikenali sebagai DCN, dan syarikat Sepanyol, Navantia (Dulu dikenali sebagai Bazan, kemudian Izar).

Tentera Laut Chile telah memesan dua Scorpèmana, yang akan menggantikan dua kapal selam kelas Oberon yang telah ditamatkan perkhidmatan oleh Tentera Laut Chile. Tentera Laut DiRaja Malaysia telah memesan dua (dinamakan juga kelas Perdana Menteri, dan Tentera Laut India telah memesan enam. Semuanya akan dibina di Mazagon Dock Limited, India dan tiga terakhir akan dilengkapi dengan modul AIP. Pada tahun 2008, Tentera Laut Brazil telah memesan empat buah Scorpèmana. Terdapat juga laporan yang mengatakan bahawa kapal selam kelima telah dipesan untuk dibangunkan sendiri dengan loji pendorongan nuklear. Walaupun ia mungkin satu jenis kapal selam kelas Barrakuda. Kapal selam Scorpèmana kelas O'Higgins dan Carrera milik Chile telah disempurnakan dalam tahun 2005 dan 2006 masing-masing, dan buat masa ini hanya dua beroperasi.

sumber:wikipedia...


WHERE YOUR EVIDENCE???

I WILL BE WAITINGGG..........

DONT BE A LIARRR..........

I WANT TO SEE TOOO...... :sopan:



bagi video saja ka???ambil sumber dari wiki saja hang pandai ek....wiki tu saya pun boleh edit ikut suka saya tapi hang ambil tu jadi bukti ka???lawak betul hang ni....hang tahu copy saja tapi tak tahu apa yang diperlukan dalam nak beli peralatan tempur

Sebelumnya, Indian Navy & Chilean Navy pun sudah beli kapal selam ini, dan ternyata kapal selamnya memang tidak berfungsi dengan baik. Indian Navy bahkan menuntut kompensasi kepada pabrik kapal selam ini di Perancis atas performance kapal selam ini yang tidak bagus....

plus hang tengok ni pula???adoi boleh pula rosak pula ya...satu tak boleh tenggelam satu lagi tak boleh timbul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC-zEmeUMXU&feature=related


hah negara pengeluar pun dah pertikai kapal selam ni apa hang nak cer


!!! QUOTE !!!

Murky arms deal linked to international pattern of kickbacks

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.


Written by John Berthelsen, Asia Sentinel

A potentially explosive scandal in Malaysia over the billion-dollar purchase of French submarines, a deal engineered by then-Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak, has broken out of the domestic arena with the filing of a request to investigate bribery and kickbacks from the deal in a Paris court.

Although the case has been contained for eight years in the cozy confines of Malaysia's courts and parliament, which are dominated by the ruling National Coalition, French lawyers William Bourdon, Renaud Semerdjian and Joseph Breham put an end to that when they filed it with Parisian prosecutors on behalf of the Malaysian human rights organization Suaram, which supports good-government causes.

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.

For two years, Parisian prosecutors, led by investigating judges Francoise Besset Francoise Besset and Jean-Christophe Hullin, have been gingerly investigating allegations involving senior French political figures and the sales of submarines and other weaponry to governments all over the world. French news reports have said the prosecutors have backed away from some of the most serious charges out of concern for the political fallout.

The allegations relate to one of France's biggest defense conglomerates, the state-owned shipbuilder DCN, which merged with the French electronics company Thales in 2005 to become a dominant force in the European defense industry. DCN's subsidiary Armaris is the manufacturer of Scorpene-class diesel submarines sold to India, Pakistan and Malaysia among other countries. All of the contracts, according to the lawyers acting for Suaram, a Malaysian human rights NGO, are said to be suspect.

With Najib having moved on from the defense portfolio he held when the deal was put together in 2002 to become prime minister and head of the country's largest political party, the mess has the potential to become a major liability for the government and the United Malays National Organisation. Given the power of UMNO, it is unlikely the scandal would ever get a complete airing in a Malaysian court, which is presumably why Suaram reached out to French prosecutors.

"The filings are very recent and have so far prompted a preliminary police inquiry on the financial aspects of the deal," said Philippe Vasset, the editor in chief of a Paris-based military intelligence website. "There isn't a formal investigation yet. The investigation will most likely use documents seized at DCN in the course of another investigation, focusing on bribes paid by DCN in Pakistan."

Vasset said police have confined their inquiry to bribery allegations so far and have not looked into the 2006 murder of a Mongolian woman in Malaysia who was a translator on the deal for Najib and his friend, Abdul Razak Baginda, during a visit to Paris.

There have been numerous deaths involving DCN defense sales in Taiwan and Pakistan. Prosecutors are suspicious that 11 French submarine engineers who were murdered in a 2002 bomb blast in Karachi – first thought to have been the work of Al Qaeda – were actually killed in retaliation for the fact that the French had reneged on millions of dollars in kickbacks to Pakistani military officers.

The Malaysian allegations revolve around the payment of €114 million to a Malaysia-based company called Perimekar, for support services surrounding the sale of the submarines. Perimekar was wholly owned by another company, KS Ombak Laut Sdn Bhd, which in turn was controlled by Najib's best friend, Razak Baginda, whose wife Mazalinda, a lawyer and former magistrate, was the principal shareholder, according to the French lawyers.

"Over the pasti years, serious cases have been investigated in France by judges involving DCN," lawyer Renaud Semerdjian told Asia Sentinel in a telephone interview. "This is not the first case of this kind that is being investigated. There are others in Pakistan and there are some issues about India. To a certain extent, every time weapons of any kind have been provided, suspicion of violation of the law may be very high."

As defense minister from 2000 to 2008, Najib commissioned a huge military buildup to upgrade Malaysia's armed forces, including two submarines from Armaris and the lease of a third, a retired French Navy Agosta-class boat. There were also Sukhoi supersonic fighter jets from Russia and millions of dollars spent on coastal patrol boats. All have come under suspicion by opposition leaders in Malaysia's parliament but UMNO has stifled any investigation. Asked personally about the cases, Najib has responded angrily and refused to reply.

Despite efforts to bury it, the case achieved considerably notoriety after the murder of Altantuya Shaariibuu, a 28-year-old Mongolian translator and Razak Baginda's jilted lover, who participated in negotiations over the purchase of the submarines. By her own admission in a letter found after her death, she was attempting to blackmail Razak Baginda for US$500,000.

She was shot in October 2006 and her body was blown up with military explosives by two bodyguards attached to Najib's office after Razak Baginda, went to Najib's chief of staff, Musa Safri, for help in keeping her away from him. Not long after being acquitted in November 2008 under questionable circumstances of participating in her murder, Razak Baginda left the country for England. The bodyguards were convicted but no motive was ever established for their actions.

The submarine deal was never brought up in court during a months-long murder trial that was marked by prosecutors, defense attorneys and the judge working studiously to keep Najib's name out of the proceedings. A private detective hired by Razak Baginda to protect him from the furious Altantuya filed a statutory declaration after the trial indicating that Najib had actually been the victim's lover and had passed her on to Razak Baginda.

The detective, P. Balasubramaniam, said later that he was unceremoniously run out of Kuala Lumpur. He eventually emerged from hiding in India to say he had been offered RM5 million (US$1.57 million) by a businessman close to Najib's wife to shut up and get out of town. He also said he had met Nazim Razak, Najib's younger brother, and was told to recant his testimony.

In the current complaint in Paris, the issue revolves around what, if anything, Razak Baginda's Perimekar company did to deserve €114 million. Zainal Abidin, the deputy defense minister at the time of the sale, told parliament that Perimekar had received the amount – 11 percent of the sale price of the submarines – for "coordination and support services." The Paris filing alleges that there were neither support nor services.

Perimekar was registered in 2001, a few months before the signing of the contracts for the sale, the Paris complaint states. The company, it said flatly, "did not have the financial resources to complete the contract." A review of the accounts in 2001 and 2002, the complaint said, "makes it an obvious fact that this corporation had absolutely no capacity, or legal means or financial ability and/or expertise to support such a contract."

"None of the directors and shareholders of Perimekar have the slightest experience in the construction, maintenance or submarine logistics," the complaint adds. "Under the terms of the contract, €114 million were related to the different stages of construction of the submarines." The apparent consideration, supposedly on the part of Perimekar, "would be apa diem and Malaysian crews and accommodation costs during their training. There is therefore no link between billing steps and stages of completion of the consideration."

As Asia Sentinel reported on April 1, services for the subs are being performed by a well-connected firm called Boustead DCNS, a joint venture between BHIC Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd, a subsidiary of publicly-listed Boustead Heavy Industries Corp Bhd, and DCNS SA, a subsidiary of DCN. Boustead's Heavy Industries Division now includes Perimekar as an "associate of the Group. PSB is involved in the marketing, upgrading, maintenance and related services for the Malaysian maritime defence industry," according to Boustead's annual report.

Originally Boustead told the Malaysian Stock Exchange that the service contract was for RM600 million (US$184.1 million) for six years, or US$30.68 million annually. However, the contract later ballooned to RM270 million apa year. Boustead Holdings is partly owned by the government and has close connections with UMNO.

"There are good grounds to believe that was created with a single objective: arrange payment of the commission and allocate the amount between different beneficiaries including Malaysian public officials and or Malaysian or foreign intermediaries," the complaint states.




depa sendiri pun pertikai cara malaysia dalam pembelian kapal selam ni...hang apa tahu??buat raja lawak saja :lucu: :lucu: :lucu:

lepas tu berdegar2 cakap kapal selam ni paling canggih......lawak betul......nah lagi hang baca berapa kos kapal ni...melampau2 tinggi

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hah ni lagi polis perancis pun serbu syarikat scorpene ni

!!! QUOTE !!!

Polis Perancis menyerbu pejabat pengeluar senjata DCNS dan kumpulan industri Thales berhubung siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam kepada Malaysia, demikian menurut sumber kehakiman semalam. Dokumen-dokumen dirampas dalam serbuan tersebut minggu lalu, tambah sumber itu.Thales enggan mengulas perkara itu, manakala DCNS memberitahu AFP bahawa ia "tidak mengesah atau menafikan maklumat tersebut."

"Satu siasatan sedang dijalankan dan kami tidak boleh memberi sebarang komen."

Mac lalu, Pejabat pendakwaraya Paris memulakan siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam tersebut pada tahun 2002 ekoran aduan yang dibuat oleh badan hak asasi manusia dari Malaysia, Suaram. Suaram mendakwa Armaris - anak syarikat Thales dan DCN - telah membayar komisyen sebanyak 114 juta euro kepada syarikat Malaysia Perimekar, yang dikaitkan dengan individu yang rapat dengan Perdana Menteri sekarang, Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak .

Najib merupakan merupakan menteri pertahanan pada tahun 2002 dan bertanggungjawab dalam rundingan kontrak tersebut. Sejak tahun 2000, bayaran komisyen bagi kontrak yang berkaitan dengan pemimpin asing merupakan satu rasuah di bawah undang-undang Perancis.

Pada 2002, The DCN menyertai Thales dan kumpulan pembinaan Navantia dalam kontrak untuk menjual tiga kapal selam kepada Malaysia pada sekitar harga satu bilion euro.

Lewat April lalu, seorang jurucakap Pejabat Perdana Menteri menegaskan bahawa "tiada kes" untuk dijawab. Menurutnya, urusniaga tersebut bebas daripada rasuah dan tidak benar Perimekar mendapat manfaat secara tidak betul daripada urusniaga tersebut.



pasal canggih tu pula mai banding tengok mana lagi canggih

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1342/kds3c.jpg

nah lagi scorpene boleh challenge yang ni juga ka :sopan: :sopan:

http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/SHIP_SSN_Virginia_Class_Cutaway_lg.jpg


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rashdin....

orang kalau dah bengap...kita dah bagi bukti pun dia dok nafi lagi....

firdausnur tu memang tak boleh pakai...buat lawak sepanjang masa..kakakkakakakkakk

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Pada 01-04-11 09:09 , Rashdin posting:

!!! QUOTE !!!

Pada 31-03-11 18:35 , FIRDAUSNUR posting:

!!! QUOTE !!!

Pada 31-03-11 14:46 , Musafir_Ufuk_Timur posting:

!!! QUOTE !!!

habis tu kau cakap tak boleh survive kalau tak repair..

kau bagi lah bukti juga,survive jadah apa?kekekekekeke...

kau ni memang pencacai umno terbaik lah..kaki pusing...wakakkakakkaka



YOU WANT TO SEE MY EVIDENCE??? :sopan:

LET SEE THIS....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpwvoWH6cQs

AND THISSS....

KAPAL SELAM SCORPENE

Kapal selam kelas Scorpèmana merupakan satu kelas kapal selam penyerang berkuasa diesel-elektrik . Ia memperlihatkan pendorongan diesel dan satu tambahan pendorongan bebas udara atau "air-independent propulsion" (AIP), yang telah dibangunkan bersama oleh syarikat Perancis DCNS, sebelum itu dikenali sebagai DCN, dan syarikat Sepanyol, Navantia (Dulu dikenali sebagai Bazan, kemudian Izar).

Tentera Laut Chile telah memesan dua Scorpèmana, yang akan menggantikan dua kapal selam kelas Oberon yang telah ditamatkan perkhidmatan oleh Tentera Laut Chile. Tentera Laut DiRaja Malaysia telah memesan dua (dinamakan juga kelas Perdana Menteri, dan Tentera Laut India telah memesan enam. Semuanya akan dibina di Mazagon Dock Limited, India dan tiga terakhir akan dilengkapi dengan modul AIP. Pada tahun 2008, Tentera Laut Brazil telah memesan empat buah Scorpèmana. Terdapat juga laporan yang mengatakan bahawa kapal selam kelima telah dipesan untuk dibangunkan sendiri dengan loji pendorongan nuklear. Walaupun ia mungkin satu jenis kapal selam kelas Barrakuda. Kapal selam Scorpèmana kelas O'Higgins dan Carrera milik Chile telah disempurnakan dalam tahun 2005 dan 2006 masing-masing, dan buat masa ini hanya dua beroperasi.

sumber:wikipedia...


WHERE YOUR EVIDENCE???

I WILL BE WAITINGGG..........

DONT BE A LIARRR..........

I WANT TO SEE TOOO...... :sopan:



bagi video saja ka???ambil sumber dari wiki saja hang pandai ek....wiki tu saya pun boleh edit ikut suka saya tapi hang ambil tu jadi bukti ka???lawak betul hang ni....hang tahu copy saja tapi tak tahu apa yang diperlukan dalam nak beli peralatan tempur

Sebelumnya, Indian Navy & Chilean Navy pun sudah beli kapal selam ini, dan ternyata kapal selamnya memang tidak berfungsi dengan baik. Indian Navy bahkan menuntut kompensasi kepada pabrik kapal selam ini di Perancis atas performance kapal selam ini yang tidak bagus....

plus hang tengok ni pula???adoi boleh pula rosak pula ya...satu tak boleh tenggelam satu lagi tak boleh timbul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC-zEmeUMXU&feature=related


hah negara pengeluar pun dah pertikai kapal selam ni apa hang nak cer


!!! QUOTE !!!

Murky arms deal linked to international pattern of kickbacks

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.


Written by John Berthelsen, Asia Sentinel

A potentially explosive scandal in Malaysia over the billion-dollar purchase of French submarines, a deal engineered by then-Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak, has broken out of the domestic arena with the filing of a request to investigate bribery and kickbacks from the deal in a Paris court.

Although the case has been contained for eight years in the cozy confines of Malaysia's courts and parliament, which are dominated by the ruling National Coalition, French lawyers William Bourdon, Renaud Semerdjian and Joseph Breham put an end to that when they filed it with Parisian prosecutors on behalf of the Malaysian human rights organization Suaram, which supports good-government causes.

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.

For two years, Parisian prosecutors, led by investigating judges Francoise Besset Francoise Besset and Jean-Christophe Hullin, have been gingerly investigating allegations involving senior French political figures and the sales of submarines and other weaponry to governments all over the world. French news reports have said the prosecutors have backed away from some of the most serious charges out of concern for the political fallout.

The allegations relate to one of France's biggest defense conglomerates, the state-owned shipbuilder DCN, which merged with the French electronics company Thales in 2005 to become a dominant force in the European defense industry. DCN's subsidiary Armaris is the manufacturer of Scorpene-class diesel submarines sold to India, Pakistan and Malaysia among other countries. All of the contracts, according to the lawyers acting for Suaram, a Malaysian human rights NGO, are said to be suspect.

With Najib having moved on from the defense portfolio he held when the deal was put together in 2002 to become prime minister and head of the country's largest political party, the mess has the potential to become a major liability for the government and the United Malays National Organisation. Given the power of UMNO, it is unlikely the scandal would ever get a complete airing in a Malaysian court, which is presumably why Suaram reached out to French prosecutors.

"The filings are very recent and have so far prompted a preliminary police inquiry on the financial aspects of the deal," said Philippe Vasset, the editor in chief of a Paris-based military intelligence website. "There isn't a formal investigation yet. The investigation will most likely use documents seized at DCN in the course of another investigation, focusing on bribes paid by DCN in Pakistan."

Vasset said police have confined their inquiry to bribery allegations so far and have not looked into the 2006 murder of a Mongolian woman in Malaysia who was a translator on the deal for Najib and his friend, Abdul Razak Baginda, during a visit to Paris.

There have been numerous deaths involving DCN defense sales in Taiwan and Pakistan. Prosecutors are suspicious that 11 French submarine engineers who were murdered in a 2002 bomb blast in Karachi – first thought to have been the work of Al Qaeda – were actually killed in retaliation for the fact that the French had reneged on millions of dollars in kickbacks to Pakistani military officers.

The Malaysian allegations revolve around the payment of €114 million to a Malaysia-based company called Perimekar, for support services surrounding the sale of the submarines. Perimekar was wholly owned by another company, KS Ombak Laut Sdn Bhd, which in turn was controlled by Najib's best friend, Razak Baginda, whose wife Mazalinda, a lawyer and former magistrate, was the principal shareholder, according to the French lawyers.

"Over the pasti years, serious cases have been investigated in France by judges involving DCN," lawyer Renaud Semerdjian told Asia Sentinel in a telephone interview. "This is not the first case of this kind that is being investigated. There are others in Pakistan and there are some issues about India. To a certain extent, every time weapons of any kind have been provided, suspicion of violation of the law may be very high."

As defense minister from 2000 to 2008, Najib commissioned a huge military buildup to upgrade Malaysia's armed forces, including two submarines from Armaris and the lease of a third, a retired French Navy Agosta-class boat. There were also Sukhoi supersonic fighter jets from Russia and millions of dollars spent on coastal patrol boats. All have come under suspicion by opposition leaders in Malaysia's parliament but UMNO has stifled any investigation. Asked personally about the cases, Najib has responded angrily and refused to reply.

Despite efforts to bury it, the case achieved considerably notoriety after the murder of Altantuya Shaariibuu, a 28-year-old Mongolian translator and Razak Baginda's jilted lover, who participated in negotiations over the purchase of the submarines. By her own admission in a letter found after her death, she was attempting to blackmail Razak Baginda for US$500,000.

She was shot in October 2006 and her body was blown up with military explosives by two bodyguards attached to Najib's office after Razak Baginda, went to Najib's chief of staff, Musa Safri, for help in keeping her away from him. Not long after being acquitted in November 2008 under questionable circumstances of participating in her murder, Razak Baginda left the country for England. The bodyguards were convicted but no motive was ever established for their actions.

The submarine deal was never brought up in court during a months-long murder trial that was marked by prosecutors, defense attorneys and the judge working studiously to keep Najib's name out of the proceedings. A private detective hired by Razak Baginda to protect him from the furious Altantuya filed a statutory declaration after the trial indicating that Najib had actually been the victim's lover and had passed her on to Razak Baginda.

The detective, P. Balasubramaniam, said later that he was unceremoniously run out of Kuala Lumpur. He eventually emerged from hiding in India to say he had been offered RM5 million (US$1.57 million) by a businessman close to Najib's wife to shut up and get out of town. He also said he had met Nazim Razak, Najib's younger brother, and was told to recant his testimony.

In the current complaint in Paris, the issue revolves around what, if anything, Razak Baginda's Perimekar company did to deserve €114 million. Zainal Abidin, the deputy defense minister at the time of the sale, told parliament that Perimekar had received the amount – 11 percent of the sale price of the submarines – for "coordination and support services." The Paris filing alleges that there were neither support nor services.

Perimekar was registered in 2001, a few months before the signing of the contracts for the sale, the Paris complaint states. The company, it said flatly, "did not have the financial resources to complete the contract." A review of the accounts in 2001 and 2002, the complaint said, "makes it an obvious fact that this corporation had absolutely no capacity, or legal means or financial ability and/or expertise to support such a contract."

"None of the directors and shareholders of Perimekar have the slightest experience in the construction, maintenance or submarine logistics," the complaint adds. "Under the terms of the contract, €114 million were related to the different stages of construction of the submarines." The apparent consideration, supposedly on the part of Perimekar, "would be apa diem and Malaysian crews and accommodation costs during their training. There is therefore no link between billing steps and stages of completion of the consideration."

As Asia Sentinel reported on April 1, services for the subs are being performed by a well-connected firm called Boustead DCNS, a joint venture between BHIC Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd, a subsidiary of publicly-listed Boustead Heavy Industries Corp Bhd, and DCNS SA, a subsidiary of DCN. Boustead's Heavy Industries Division now includes Perimekar as an "associate of the Group. PSB is involved in the marketing, upgrading, maintenance and related services for the Malaysian maritime defence industry," according to Boustead's annual report.

Originally Boustead told the Malaysian Stock Exchange that the service contract was for RM600 million (US$184.1 million) for six years, or US$30.68 million annually. However, the contract later ballooned to RM270 million apa year. Boustead Holdings is partly owned by the government and has close connections with UMNO.

"There are good grounds to believe that was created with a single objective: arrange payment of the commission and allocate the amount between different beneficiaries including Malaysian public officials and or Malaysian or foreign intermediaries," the complaint states.




depa sendiri pun pertikai cara malaysia dalam pembelian kapal selam ni...hang apa tahu??buat raja lawak saja :lucu: :lucu: :lucu:

lepas tu berdegar2 cakap kapal selam ni paling canggih......lawak betul......nah lagi hang baca berapa kos kapal ni...melampau2 tinggi

.


hah ni lagi polis perancis pun serbu syarikat scorpene ni

!!! QUOTE !!!

Polis Perancis menyerbu pejabat pengeluar senjata DCNS dan kumpulan industri Thales berhubung siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam kepada Malaysia, demikian menurut sumber kehakiman semalam. Dokumen-dokumen dirampas dalam serbuan tersebut minggu lalu, tambah sumber itu.Thales enggan mengulas perkara itu, manakala DCNS memberitahu AFP bahawa ia "tidak mengesah atau menafikan maklumat tersebut."

"Satu siasatan sedang dijalankan dan kami tidak boleh memberi sebarang komen."

Mac lalu, Pejabat pendakwaraya Paris memulakan siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam tersebut pada tahun 2002 ekoran aduan yang dibuat oleh badan hak asasi manusia dari Malaysia, Suaram. Suaram mendakwa Armaris - anak syarikat Thales dan DCN - telah membayar komisyen sebanyak 114 juta euro kepada syarikat Malaysia Perimekar, yang dikaitkan dengan individu yang rapat dengan Perdana Menteri sekarang, Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak .

Najib merupakan merupakan menteri pertahanan pada tahun 2002 dan bertanggungjawab dalam rundingan kontrak tersebut. Sejak tahun 2000, bayaran komisyen bagi kontrak yang berkaitan dengan pemimpin asing merupakan satu rasuah di bawah undang-undang Perancis.

Pada 2002, The DCN menyertai Thales dan kumpulan pembinaan Navantia dalam kontrak untuk menjual tiga kapal selam kepada Malaysia pada sekitar harga satu bilion euro.

Lewat April lalu, seorang jurucakap Pejabat Perdana Menteri menegaskan bahawa "tiada kes" untuk dijawab. Menurutnya, urusniaga tersebut bebas daripada rasuah dan tidak benar Perimekar mendapat manfaat secara tidak betul daripada urusniaga tersebut.



pasal canggih tu pula mai banding tengok mana lagi canggih

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1342/kds3c.jpg

nah lagi scorpene boleh challenge yang ni juga ka :sopan: :sopan:

http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/SHIP_SSN_Virginia_Class_Cutaway_lg.jpg



WHAT???

THE STATEMENT OF WIKIPEDIA WRONGGG?? :sopan:

FUNNY..FUNNY...

ALL PEOPLE USE IT TO DO RESEARCH MAAAAA.... :sopan:

YOU SEE THIS ALSOO...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fopCXYHeSrM

IT 'SURVIVE' OR 'DIED'..???? :sopan:

YOU THINK ITS FUNNY OR NOT??? :sopan:

ANSWERR MY QUESTIONNN NOWWWWWWWWWWW......... :sopan:



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habis tu kau cakap tak boleh survive kalau tak repair..

kau bagi lah bukti juga,survive jadah apa?kekekekekeke...

kau ni memang pencacai umno terbaik lah..kaki pusing...wakakkakakkaka



YOU WANT TO SEE MY EVIDENCE??? :sopan:

LET SEE THIS....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpwvoWH6cQs

AND THISSS....

KAPAL SELAM SCORPENE

Kapal selam kelas Scorpèmana merupakan satu kelas kapal selam penyerang berkuasa diesel-elektrik . Ia memperlihatkan pendorongan diesel dan satu tambahan pendorongan bebas udara atau "air-independent propulsion" (AIP), yang telah dibangunkan bersama oleh syarikat Perancis DCNS, sebelum itu dikenali sebagai DCN, dan syarikat Sepanyol, Navantia (Dulu dikenali sebagai Bazan, kemudian Izar).

Tentera Laut Chile telah memesan dua Scorpèmana, yang akan menggantikan dua kapal selam kelas Oberon yang telah ditamatkan perkhidmatan oleh Tentera Laut Chile. Tentera Laut DiRaja Malaysia telah memesan dua (dinamakan juga kelas Perdana Menteri, dan Tentera Laut India telah memesan enam. Semuanya akan dibina di Mazagon Dock Limited, India dan tiga terakhir akan dilengkapi dengan modul AIP. Pada tahun 2008, Tentera Laut Brazil telah memesan empat buah Scorpèmana. Terdapat juga laporan yang mengatakan bahawa kapal selam kelima telah dipesan untuk dibangunkan sendiri dengan loji pendorongan nuklear. Walaupun ia mungkin satu jenis kapal selam kelas Barrakuda. Kapal selam Scorpèmana kelas O'Higgins dan Carrera milik Chile telah disempurnakan dalam tahun 2005 dan 2006 masing-masing, dan buat masa ini hanya dua beroperasi.

sumber:wikipedia...


WHERE YOUR EVIDENCE???

I WILL BE WAITINGGG..........

DONT BE A LIARRR..........

I WANT TO SEE TOOO...... :sopan:



bagi video saja ka???ambil sumber dari wiki saja hang pandai ek....wiki tu saya pun boleh edit ikut suka saya tapi hang ambil tu jadi bukti ka???lawak betul hang ni....hang tahu copy saja tapi tak tahu apa yang diperlukan dalam nak beli peralatan tempur

Sebelumnya, Indian Navy & Chilean Navy pun sudah beli kapal selam ini, dan ternyata kapal selamnya memang tidak berfungsi dengan baik. Indian Navy bahkan menuntut kompensasi kepada pabrik kapal selam ini di Perancis atas performance kapal selam ini yang tidak bagus....

plus hang tengok ni pula???adoi boleh pula rosak pula ya...satu tak boleh tenggelam satu lagi tak boleh timbul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC-zEmeUMXU&feature=related


hah negara pengeluar pun dah pertikai kapal selam ni apa hang nak cer


!!! QUOTE !!!

Murky arms deal linked to international pattern of kickbacks

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.


Written by John Berthelsen, Asia Sentinel

A potentially explosive scandal in Malaysia over the billion-dollar purchase of French submarines, a deal engineered by then-Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak, has broken out of the domestic arena with the filing of a request to investigate bribery and kickbacks from the deal in a Paris court.

Although the case has been contained for eight years in the cozy confines of Malaysia's courts and parliament, which are dominated by the ruling National Coalition, French lawyers William Bourdon, Renaud Semerdjian and Joseph Breham put an end to that when they filed it with Parisian prosecutors on behalf of the Malaysian human rights organization Suaram, which supports good-government causes.

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.

For two years, Parisian prosecutors, led by investigating judges Francoise Besset Francoise Besset and Jean-Christophe Hullin, have been gingerly investigating allegations involving senior French political figures and the sales of submarines and other weaponry to governments all over the world. French news reports have said the prosecutors have backed away from some of the most serious charges out of concern for the political fallout.

The allegations relate to one of France's biggest defense conglomerates, the state-owned shipbuilder DCN, which merged with the French electronics company Thales in 2005 to become a dominant force in the European defense industry. DCN's subsidiary Armaris is the manufacturer of Scorpene-class diesel submarines sold to India, Pakistan and Malaysia among other countries. All of the contracts, according to the lawyers acting for Suaram, a Malaysian human rights NGO, are said to be suspect.

With Najib having moved on from the defense portfolio he held when the deal was put together in 2002 to become prime minister and head of the country's largest political party, the mess has the potential to become a major liability for the government and the United Malays National Organisation. Given the power of UMNO, it is unlikely the scandal would ever get a complete airing in a Malaysian court, which is presumably why Suaram reached out to French prosecutors.

"The filings are very recent and have so far prompted a preliminary police inquiry on the financial aspects of the deal," said Philippe Vasset, the editor in chief of a Paris-based military intelligence website. "There isn't a formal investigation yet. The investigation will most likely use documents seized at DCN in the course of another investigation, focusing on bribes paid by DCN in Pakistan."

Vasset said police have confined their inquiry to bribery allegations so far and have not looked into the 2006 murder of a Mongolian woman in Malaysia who was a translator on the deal for Najib and his friend, Abdul Razak Baginda, during a visit to Paris.

There have been numerous deaths involving DCN defense sales in Taiwan and Pakistan. Prosecutors are suspicious that 11 French submarine engineers who were murdered in a 2002 bomb blast in Karachi – first thought to have been the work of Al Qaeda – were actually killed in retaliation for the fact that the French had reneged on millions of dollars in kickbacks to Pakistani military officers.

The Malaysian allegations revolve around the payment of €114 million to a Malaysia-based company called Perimekar, for support services surrounding the sale of the submarines. Perimekar was wholly owned by another company, KS Ombak Laut Sdn Bhd, which in turn was controlled by Najib's best friend, Razak Baginda, whose wife Mazalinda, a lawyer and former magistrate, was the principal shareholder, according to the French lawyers.

"Over the pasti years, serious cases have been investigated in France by judges involving DCN," lawyer Renaud Semerdjian told Asia Sentinel in a telephone interview. "This is not the first case of this kind that is being investigated. There are others in Pakistan and there are some issues about India. To a certain extent, every time weapons of any kind have been provided, suspicion of violation of the law may be very high."

As defense minister from 2000 to 2008, Najib commissioned a huge military buildup to upgrade Malaysia's armed forces, including two submarines from Armaris and the lease of a third, a retired French Navy Agosta-class boat. There were also Sukhoi supersonic fighter jets from Russia and millions of dollars spent on coastal patrol boats. All have come under suspicion by opposition leaders in Malaysia's parliament but UMNO has stifled any investigation. Asked personally about the cases, Najib has responded angrily and refused to reply.

Despite efforts to bury it, the case achieved considerably notoriety after the murder of Altantuya Shaariibuu, a 28-year-old Mongolian translator and Razak Baginda's jilted lover, who participated in negotiations over the purchase of the submarines. By her own admission in a letter found after her death, she was attempting to blackmail Razak Baginda for US$500,000.

She was shot in October 2006 and her body was blown up with military explosives by two bodyguards attached to Najib's office after Razak Baginda, went to Najib's chief of staff, Musa Safri, for help in keeping her away from him. Not long after being acquitted in November 2008 under questionable circumstances of participating in her murder, Razak Baginda left the country for England. The bodyguards were convicted but no motive was ever established for their actions.

The submarine deal was never brought up in court during a months-long murder trial that was marked by prosecutors, defense attorneys and the judge working studiously to keep Najib's name out of the proceedings. A private detective hired by Razak Baginda to protect him from the furious Altantuya filed a statutory declaration after the trial indicating that Najib had actually been the victim's lover and had passed her on to Razak Baginda.

The detective, P. Balasubramaniam, said later that he was unceremoniously run out of Kuala Lumpur. He eventually emerged from hiding in India to say he had been offered RM5 million (US$1.57 million) by a businessman close to Najib's wife to shut up and get out of town. He also said he had met Nazim Razak, Najib's younger brother, and was told to recant his testimony.

In the current complaint in Paris, the issue revolves around what, if anything, Razak Baginda's Perimekar company did to deserve €114 million. Zainal Abidin, the deputy defense minister at the time of the sale, told parliament that Perimekar had received the amount – 11 percent of the sale price of the submarines – for "coordination and support services." The Paris filing alleges that there were neither support nor services.

Perimekar was registered in 2001, a few months before the signing of the contracts for the sale, the Paris complaint states. The company, it said flatly, "did not have the financial resources to complete the contract." A review of the accounts in 2001 and 2002, the complaint said, "makes it an obvious fact that this corporation had absolutely no capacity, or legal means or financial ability and/or expertise to support such a contract."

"None of the directors and shareholders of Perimekar have the slightest experience in the construction, maintenance or submarine logistics," the complaint adds. "Under the terms of the contract, €114 million were related to the different stages of construction of the submarines." The apparent consideration, supposedly on the part of Perimekar, "would be apa diem and Malaysian crews and accommodation costs during their training. There is therefore no link between billing steps and stages of completion of the consideration."

As Asia Sentinel reported on April 1, services for the subs are being performed by a well-connected firm called Boustead DCNS, a joint venture between BHIC Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd, a subsidiary of publicly-listed Boustead Heavy Industries Corp Bhd, and DCNS SA, a subsidiary of DCN. Boustead's Heavy Industries Division now includes Perimekar as an "associate of the Group. PSB is involved in the marketing, upgrading, maintenance and related services for the Malaysian maritime defence industry," according to Boustead's annual report.

Originally Boustead told the Malaysian Stock Exchange that the service contract was for RM600 million (US$184.1 million) for six years, or US$30.68 million annually. However, the contract later ballooned to RM270 million apa year. Boustead Holdings is partly owned by the government and has close connections with UMNO.

"There are good grounds to believe that was created with a single objective: arrange payment of the commission and allocate the amount between different beneficiaries including Malaysian public officials and or Malaysian or foreign intermediaries," the complaint states.




depa sendiri pun pertikai cara malaysia dalam pembelian kapal selam ni...hang apa tahu??buat raja lawak saja :lucu: :lucu: :lucu:

lepas tu berdegar2 cakap kapal selam ni paling canggih......lawak betul......nah lagi hang baca berapa kos kapal ni...melampau2 tinggi

.


hah ni lagi polis perancis pun serbu syarikat scorpene ni

!!! QUOTE !!!

Polis Perancis menyerbu pejabat pengeluar senjata DCNS dan kumpulan industri Thales berhubung siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam kepada Malaysia, demikian menurut sumber kehakiman semalam. Dokumen-dokumen dirampas dalam serbuan tersebut minggu lalu, tambah sumber itu.Thales enggan mengulas perkara itu, manakala DCNS memberitahu AFP bahawa ia "tidak mengesah atau menafikan maklumat tersebut."

"Satu siasatan sedang dijalankan dan kami tidak boleh memberi sebarang komen."

Mac lalu, Pejabat pendakwaraya Paris memulakan siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam tersebut pada tahun 2002 ekoran aduan yang dibuat oleh badan hak asasi manusia dari Malaysia, Suaram. Suaram mendakwa Armaris - anak syarikat Thales dan DCN - telah membayar komisyen sebanyak 114 juta euro kepada syarikat Malaysia Perimekar, yang dikaitkan dengan individu yang rapat dengan Perdana Menteri sekarang, Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak .

Najib merupakan merupakan menteri pertahanan pada tahun 2002 dan bertanggungjawab dalam rundingan kontrak tersebut. Sejak tahun 2000, bayaran komisyen bagi kontrak yang berkaitan dengan pemimpin asing merupakan satu rasuah di bawah undang-undang Perancis.

Pada 2002, The DCN menyertai Thales dan kumpulan pembinaan Navantia dalam kontrak untuk menjual tiga kapal selam kepada Malaysia pada sekitar harga satu bilion euro.

Lewat April lalu, seorang jurucakap Pejabat Perdana Menteri menegaskan bahawa "tiada kes" untuk dijawab. Menurutnya, urusniaga tersebut bebas daripada rasuah dan tidak benar Perimekar mendapat manfaat secara tidak betul daripada urusniaga tersebut.



pasal canggih tu pula mai banding tengok mana lagi canggih

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1342/kds3c.jpg

nah lagi scorpene boleh challenge yang ni juga ka :sopan: :sopan:

http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/SHIP_SSN_Virginia_Class_Cutaway_lg.jpg



WHAT???

THE STATEMENT OF WIKIPEDIA WRONGGG?? :sopan:

FUNNY..FUNNY...

ALL PEOPLE USE IT TO DO RESEARCH MAAAAA.... :sopan:

YOU SEE THIS ALSOO...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fopCXYHeSrM

IT 'SURVIVE' OR 'DIED'..???? :sopan:

YOU THINK ITS FUNNY OR NOT??? :sopan:

ANSWERR MY QUESTIONNN NOWWWWWWWWWWW......... :sopan:



wakakaka......nampak sangatlah bengap........wikipedia tu siapa2 boleh edit...dah banyak kes edit hang mahu jadi bahan rujukan ka??? :lucu: :lucu:

video tu pun hang nak rujuk ka??

mai compare dengan kapal selam ni apa beza scorpene dengan kapal selam kelas virginia dari segi equipment dan kos pembinaan



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http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/135-bn-for-fy-2006-virginia-class-submarine-procurement-01821/


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Pada 01-04-11 11:01 , Rashdin posting:

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Pada 31-03-11 14:46 , Musafir_Ufuk_Timur posting:

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habis tu kau cakap tak boleh survive kalau tak repair..

kau bagi lah bukti juga,survive jadah apa?kekekekekeke...

kau ni memang pencacai umno terbaik lah..kaki pusing...wakakkakakkaka



YOU WANT TO SEE MY EVIDENCE??? :sopan:

LET SEE THIS....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpwvoWH6cQs

AND THISSS....

KAPAL SELAM SCORPENE

Kapal selam kelas Scorpèmana merupakan satu kelas kapal selam penyerang berkuasa diesel-elektrik . Ia memperlihatkan pendorongan diesel dan satu tambahan pendorongan bebas udara atau "air-independent propulsion" (AIP), yang telah dibangunkan bersama oleh syarikat Perancis DCNS, sebelum itu dikenali sebagai DCN, dan syarikat Sepanyol, Navantia (Dulu dikenali sebagai Bazan, kemudian Izar).

Tentera Laut Chile telah memesan dua Scorpèmana, yang akan menggantikan dua kapal selam kelas Oberon yang telah ditamatkan perkhidmatan oleh Tentera Laut Chile. Tentera Laut DiRaja Malaysia telah memesan dua (dinamakan juga kelas Perdana Menteri, dan Tentera Laut India telah memesan enam. Semuanya akan dibina di Mazagon Dock Limited, India dan tiga terakhir akan dilengkapi dengan modul AIP. Pada tahun 2008, Tentera Laut Brazil telah memesan empat buah Scorpèmana. Terdapat juga laporan yang mengatakan bahawa kapal selam kelima telah dipesan untuk dibangunkan sendiri dengan loji pendorongan nuklear. Walaupun ia mungkin satu jenis kapal selam kelas Barrakuda. Kapal selam Scorpèmana kelas O'Higgins dan Carrera milik Chile telah disempurnakan dalam tahun 2005 dan 2006 masing-masing, dan buat masa ini hanya dua beroperasi.

sumber:wikipedia...


WHERE YOUR EVIDENCE???

I WILL BE WAITINGGG..........

DONT BE A LIARRR..........

I WANT TO SEE TOOO...... :sopan:



bagi video saja ka???ambil sumber dari wiki saja hang pandai ek....wiki tu saya pun boleh edit ikut suka saya tapi hang ambil tu jadi bukti ka???lawak betul hang ni....hang tahu copy saja tapi tak tahu apa yang diperlukan dalam nak beli peralatan tempur

Sebelumnya, Indian Navy & Chilean Navy pun sudah beli kapal selam ini, dan ternyata kapal selamnya memang tidak berfungsi dengan baik. Indian Navy bahkan menuntut kompensasi kepada pabrik kapal selam ini di Perancis atas performance kapal selam ini yang tidak bagus....

plus hang tengok ni pula???adoi boleh pula rosak pula ya...satu tak boleh tenggelam satu lagi tak boleh timbul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC-zEmeUMXU&feature=related


hah negara pengeluar pun dah pertikai kapal selam ni apa hang nak cer


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Murky arms deal linked to international pattern of kickbacks

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.


Written by John Berthelsen, Asia Sentinel

A potentially explosive scandal in Malaysia over the billion-dollar purchase of French submarines, a deal engineered by then-Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak, has broken out of the domestic arena with the filing of a request to investigate bribery and kickbacks from the deal in a Paris court.

Although the case has been contained for eight years in the cozy confines of Malaysia's courts and parliament, which are dominated by the ruling National Coalition, French lawyers William Bourdon, Renaud Semerdjian and Joseph Breham put an end to that when they filed it with Parisian prosecutors on behalf of the Malaysian human rights organization Suaram, which supports good-government causes.

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.

For two years, Parisian prosecutors, led by investigating judges Francoise Besset Francoise Besset and Jean-Christophe Hullin, have been gingerly investigating allegations involving senior French political figures and the sales of submarines and other weaponry to governments all over the world. French news reports have said the prosecutors have backed away from some of the most serious charges out of concern for the political fallout.

The allegations relate to one of France's biggest defense conglomerates, the state-owned shipbuilder DCN, which merged with the French electronics company Thales in 2005 to become a dominant force in the European defense industry. DCN's subsidiary Armaris is the manufacturer of Scorpene-class diesel submarines sold to India, Pakistan and Malaysia among other countries. All of the contracts, according to the lawyers acting for Suaram, a Malaysian human rights NGO, are said to be suspect.

With Najib having moved on from the defense portfolio he held when the deal was put together in 2002 to become prime minister and head of the country's largest political party, the mess has the potential to become a major liability for the government and the United Malays National Organisation. Given the power of UMNO, it is unlikely the scandal would ever get a complete airing in a Malaysian court, which is presumably why Suaram reached out to French prosecutors.

"The filings are very recent and have so far prompted a preliminary police inquiry on the financial aspects of the deal," said Philippe Vasset, the editor in chief of a Paris-based military intelligence website. "There isn't a formal investigation yet. The investigation will most likely use documents seized at DCN in the course of another investigation, focusing on bribes paid by DCN in Pakistan."

Vasset said police have confined their inquiry to bribery allegations so far and have not looked into the 2006 murder of a Mongolian woman in Malaysia who was a translator on the deal for Najib and his friend, Abdul Razak Baginda, during a visit to Paris.

There have been numerous deaths involving DCN defense sales in Taiwan and Pakistan. Prosecutors are suspicious that 11 French submarine engineers who were murdered in a 2002 bomb blast in Karachi – first thought to have been the work of Al Qaeda – were actually killed in retaliation for the fact that the French had reneged on millions of dollars in kickbacks to Pakistani military officers.

The Malaysian allegations revolve around the payment of €114 million to a Malaysia-based company called Perimekar, for support services surrounding the sale of the submarines. Perimekar was wholly owned by another company, KS Ombak Laut Sdn Bhd, which in turn was controlled by Najib's best friend, Razak Baginda, whose wife Mazalinda, a lawyer and former magistrate, was the principal shareholder, according to the French lawyers.

"Over the pasti years, serious cases have been investigated in France by judges involving DCN," lawyer Renaud Semerdjian told Asia Sentinel in a telephone interview. "This is not the first case of this kind that is being investigated. There are others in Pakistan and there are some issues about India. To a certain extent, every time weapons of any kind have been provided, suspicion of violation of the law may be very high."

As defense minister from 2000 to 2008, Najib commissioned a huge military buildup to upgrade Malaysia's armed forces, including two submarines from Armaris and the lease of a third, a retired French Navy Agosta-class boat. There were also Sukhoi supersonic fighter jets from Russia and millions of dollars spent on coastal patrol boats. All have come under suspicion by opposition leaders in Malaysia's parliament but UMNO has stifled any investigation. Asked personally about the cases, Najib has responded angrily and refused to reply.

Despite efforts to bury it, the case achieved considerably notoriety after the murder of Altantuya Shaariibuu, a 28-year-old Mongolian translator and Razak Baginda's jilted lover, who participated in negotiations over the purchase of the submarines. By her own admission in a letter found after her death, she was attempting to blackmail Razak Baginda for US$500,000.

She was shot in October 2006 and her body was blown up with military explosives by two bodyguards attached to Najib's office after Razak Baginda, went to Najib's chief of staff, Musa Safri, for help in keeping her away from him. Not long after being acquitted in November 2008 under questionable circumstances of participating in her murder, Razak Baginda left the country for England. The bodyguards were convicted but no motive was ever established for their actions.

The submarine deal was never brought up in court during a months-long murder trial that was marked by prosecutors, defense attorneys and the judge working studiously to keep Najib's name out of the proceedings. A private detective hired by Razak Baginda to protect him from the furious Altantuya filed a statutory declaration after the trial indicating that Najib had actually been the victim's lover and had passed her on to Razak Baginda.

The detective, P. Balasubramaniam, said later that he was unceremoniously run out of Kuala Lumpur. He eventually emerged from hiding in India to say he had been offered RM5 million (US$1.57 million) by a businessman close to Najib's wife to shut up and get out of town. He also said he had met Nazim Razak, Najib's younger brother, and was told to recant his testimony.

In the current complaint in Paris, the issue revolves around what, if anything, Razak Baginda's Perimekar company did to deserve €114 million. Zainal Abidin, the deputy defense minister at the time of the sale, told parliament that Perimekar had received the amount – 11 percent of the sale price of the submarines – for "coordination and support services." The Paris filing alleges that there were neither support nor services.

Perimekar was registered in 2001, a few months before the signing of the contracts for the sale, the Paris complaint states. The company, it said flatly, "did not have the financial resources to complete the contract." A review of the accounts in 2001 and 2002, the complaint said, "makes it an obvious fact that this corporation had absolutely no capacity, or legal means or financial ability and/or expertise to support such a contract."

"None of the directors and shareholders of Perimekar have the slightest experience in the construction, maintenance or submarine logistics," the complaint adds. "Under the terms of the contract, €114 million were related to the different stages of construction of the submarines." The apparent consideration, supposedly on the part of Perimekar, "would be apa diem and Malaysian crews and accommodation costs during their training. There is therefore no link between billing steps and stages of completion of the consideration."

As Asia Sentinel reported on April 1, services for the subs are being performed by a well-connected firm called Boustead DCNS, a joint venture between BHIC Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd, a subsidiary of publicly-listed Boustead Heavy Industries Corp Bhd, and DCNS SA, a subsidiary of DCN. Boustead's Heavy Industries Division now includes Perimekar as an "associate of the Group. PSB is involved in the marketing, upgrading, maintenance and related services for the Malaysian maritime defence industry," according to Boustead's annual report.

Originally Boustead told the Malaysian Stock Exchange that the service contract was for RM600 million (US$184.1 million) for six years, or US$30.68 million annually. However, the contract later ballooned to RM270 million apa year. Boustead Holdings is partly owned by the government and has close connections with UMNO.

"There are good grounds to believe that was created with a single objective: arrange payment of the commission and allocate the amount between different beneficiaries including Malaysian public officials and or Malaysian or foreign intermediaries," the complaint states.




depa sendiri pun pertikai cara malaysia dalam pembelian kapal selam ni...hang apa tahu??buat raja lawak saja :lucu: :lucu: :lucu:

lepas tu berdegar2 cakap kapal selam ni paling canggih......lawak betul......nah lagi hang baca berapa kos kapal ni...melampau2 tinggi

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hah ni lagi polis perancis pun serbu syarikat scorpene ni

!!! QUOTE !!!

Polis Perancis menyerbu pejabat pengeluar senjata DCNS dan kumpulan industri Thales berhubung siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam kepada Malaysia, demikian menurut sumber kehakiman semalam. Dokumen-dokumen dirampas dalam serbuan tersebut minggu lalu, tambah sumber itu.Thales enggan mengulas perkara itu, manakala DCNS memberitahu AFP bahawa ia "tidak mengesah atau menafikan maklumat tersebut."

"Satu siasatan sedang dijalankan dan kami tidak boleh memberi sebarang komen."

Mac lalu, Pejabat pendakwaraya Paris memulakan siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam tersebut pada tahun 2002 ekoran aduan yang dibuat oleh badan hak asasi manusia dari Malaysia, Suaram. Suaram mendakwa Armaris - anak syarikat Thales dan DCN - telah membayar komisyen sebanyak 114 juta euro kepada syarikat Malaysia Perimekar, yang dikaitkan dengan individu yang rapat dengan Perdana Menteri sekarang, Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak .

Najib merupakan merupakan menteri pertahanan pada tahun 2002 dan bertanggungjawab dalam rundingan kontrak tersebut. Sejak tahun 2000, bayaran komisyen bagi kontrak yang berkaitan dengan pemimpin asing merupakan satu rasuah di bawah undang-undang Perancis.

Pada 2002, The DCN menyertai Thales dan kumpulan pembinaan Navantia dalam kontrak untuk menjual tiga kapal selam kepada Malaysia pada sekitar harga satu bilion euro.

Lewat April lalu, seorang jurucakap Pejabat Perdana Menteri menegaskan bahawa "tiada kes" untuk dijawab. Menurutnya, urusniaga tersebut bebas daripada rasuah dan tidak benar Perimekar mendapat manfaat secara tidak betul daripada urusniaga tersebut.



pasal canggih tu pula mai banding tengok mana lagi canggih

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1342/kds3c.jpg

nah lagi scorpene boleh challenge yang ni juga ka :sopan: :sopan:

http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/SHIP_SSN_Virginia_Class_Cutaway_lg.jpg



WHAT???

THE STATEMENT OF WIKIPEDIA WRONGGG?? :sopan:

FUNNY..FUNNY...

ALL PEOPLE USE IT TO DO RESEARCH MAAAAA.... :sopan:

YOU SEE THIS ALSOO...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fopCXYHeSrM

IT 'SURVIVE' OR 'DIED'..???? :sopan:

YOU THINK ITS FUNNY OR NOT??? :sopan:

ANSWERR MY QUESTIONNN NOWWWWWWWWWWW......... :sopan:



wakakaka......nampak sangatlah bengap........wikipedia tu siapa2 boleh edit...dah banyak kes edit hang mahu jadi bahan rujukan ka??? :lucu: :lucu:

video tu pun hang nak rujuk ka??

mai compare dengan kapal selam ni apa beza scorpene dengan kapal selam kelas virginia dari segi equipment dan kos pembinaan




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http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/135-bn-for-fy-2006-virginia-class-submarine-procurement-01821/

:sopan:

WHAT??

I DISCUSS ABOUT SCORPENEEE................ :sopan:

NOT VIRGINIA OR KURNIAAAA.............. :sopan:

LET SEE MALAYSIAN SCORPENE VIDEOO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzIdmLIAE4

DONT 'ALIH-ALIH CEGHITA NOOOO...............

:sopan:



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Pada 01-04-11 11:08 , FIRDAUSNUR posting:

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Pada 01-04-11 11:01 , Rashdin posting:

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Pada 01-04-11 10:47 , FIRDAUSNUR posting:

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Pada 01-04-11 09:09 , Rashdin posting:

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Pada 31-03-11 18:35 , FIRDAUSNUR posting:

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Pada 31-03-11 14:46 , Musafir_Ufuk_Timur posting:

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habis tu kau cakap tak boleh survive kalau tak repair..

kau bagi lah bukti juga,survive jadah apa?kekekekekeke...

kau ni memang pencacai umno terbaik lah..kaki pusing...wakakkakakkaka



YOU WANT TO SEE MY EVIDENCE??? :sopan:

LET SEE THIS....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpwvoWH6cQs

AND THISSS....

KAPAL SELAM SCORPENE

Kapal selam kelas Scorpèmana merupakan satu kelas kapal selam penyerang berkuasa diesel-elektrik . Ia memperlihatkan pendorongan diesel dan satu tambahan pendorongan bebas udara atau "air-independent propulsion" (AIP), yang telah dibangunkan bersama oleh syarikat Perancis DCNS, sebelum itu dikenali sebagai DCN, dan syarikat Sepanyol, Navantia (Dulu dikenali sebagai Bazan, kemudian Izar).

Tentera Laut Chile telah memesan dua Scorpèmana, yang akan menggantikan dua kapal selam kelas Oberon yang telah ditamatkan perkhidmatan oleh Tentera Laut Chile. Tentera Laut DiRaja Malaysia telah memesan dua (dinamakan juga kelas Perdana Menteri, dan Tentera Laut India telah memesan enam. Semuanya akan dibina di Mazagon Dock Limited, India dan tiga terakhir akan dilengkapi dengan modul AIP. Pada tahun 2008, Tentera Laut Brazil telah memesan empat buah Scorpèmana. Terdapat juga laporan yang mengatakan bahawa kapal selam kelima telah dipesan untuk dibangunkan sendiri dengan loji pendorongan nuklear. Walaupun ia mungkin satu jenis kapal selam kelas Barrakuda. Kapal selam Scorpèmana kelas O'Higgins dan Carrera milik Chile telah disempurnakan dalam tahun 2005 dan 2006 masing-masing, dan buat masa ini hanya dua beroperasi.

sumber:wikipedia...


WHERE YOUR EVIDENCE???

I WILL BE WAITINGGG..........

DONT BE A LIARRR..........

I WANT TO SEE TOOO...... :sopan:



bagi video saja ka???ambil sumber dari wiki saja hang pandai ek....wiki tu saya pun boleh edit ikut suka saya tapi hang ambil tu jadi bukti ka???lawak betul hang ni....hang tahu copy saja tapi tak tahu apa yang diperlukan dalam nak beli peralatan tempur

Sebelumnya, Indian Navy & Chilean Navy pun sudah beli kapal selam ini, dan ternyata kapal selamnya memang tidak berfungsi dengan baik. Indian Navy bahkan menuntut kompensasi kepada pabrik kapal selam ini di Perancis atas performance kapal selam ini yang tidak bagus....

plus hang tengok ni pula???adoi boleh pula rosak pula ya...satu tak boleh tenggelam satu lagi tak boleh timbul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC-zEmeUMXU&feature=related


hah negara pengeluar pun dah pertikai kapal selam ni apa hang nak cer


!!! QUOTE !!!

Murky arms deal linked to international pattern of kickbacks

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.


Written by John Berthelsen, Asia Sentinel

A potentially explosive scandal in Malaysia over the billion-dollar purchase of French submarines, a deal engineered by then-Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak, has broken out of the domestic arena with the filing of a request to investigate bribery and kickbacks from the deal in a Paris court.

Although the case has been contained for eight years in the cozy confines of Malaysia's courts and parliament, which are dominated by the ruling National Coalition, French lawyers William Bourdon, Renaud Semerdjian and Joseph Breham put an end to that when they filed it with Parisian prosecutors on behalf of the Malaysian human rights organization Suaram, which supports good-government causes.

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.

For two years, Parisian prosecutors, led by investigating judges Francoise Besset Francoise Besset and Jean-Christophe Hullin, have been gingerly investigating allegations involving senior French political figures and the sales of submarines and other weaponry to governments all over the world. French news reports have said the prosecutors have backed away from some of the most serious charges out of concern for the political fallout.

The allegations relate to one of France's biggest defense conglomerates, the state-owned shipbuilder DCN, which merged with the French electronics company Thales in 2005 to become a dominant force in the European defense industry. DCN's subsidiary Armaris is the manufacturer of Scorpene-class diesel submarines sold to India, Pakistan and Malaysia among other countries. All of the contracts, according to the lawyers acting for Suaram, a Malaysian human rights NGO, are said to be suspect.

With Najib having moved on from the defense portfolio he held when the deal was put together in 2002 to become prime minister and head of the country's largest political party, the mess has the potential to become a major liability for the government and the United Malays National Organisation. Given the power of UMNO, it is unlikely the scandal would ever get a complete airing in a Malaysian court, which is presumably why Suaram reached out to French prosecutors.

"The filings are very recent and have so far prompted a preliminary police inquiry on the financial aspects of the deal," said Philippe Vasset, the editor in chief of a Paris-based military intelligence website. "There isn't a formal investigation yet. The investigation will most likely use documents seized at DCN in the course of another investigation, focusing on bribes paid by DCN in Pakistan."

Vasset said police have confined their inquiry to bribery allegations so far and have not looked into the 2006 murder of a Mongolian woman in Malaysia who was a translator on the deal for Najib and his friend, Abdul Razak Baginda, during a visit to Paris.

There have been numerous deaths involving DCN defense sales in Taiwan and Pakistan. Prosecutors are suspicious that 11 French submarine engineers who were murdered in a 2002 bomb blast in Karachi – first thought to have been the work of Al Qaeda – were actually killed in retaliation for the fact that the French had reneged on millions of dollars in kickbacks to Pakistani military officers.

The Malaysian allegations revolve around the payment of €114 million to a Malaysia-based company called Perimekar, for support services surrounding the sale of the submarines. Perimekar was wholly owned by another company, KS Ombak Laut Sdn Bhd, which in turn was controlled by Najib's best friend, Razak Baginda, whose wife Mazalinda, a lawyer and former magistrate, was the principal shareholder, according to the French lawyers.

"Over the pasti years, serious cases have been investigated in France by judges involving DCN," lawyer Renaud Semerdjian told Asia Sentinel in a telephone interview. "This is not the first case of this kind that is being investigated. There are others in Pakistan and there are some issues about India. To a certain extent, every time weapons of any kind have been provided, suspicion of violation of the law may be very high."

As defense minister from 2000 to 2008, Najib commissioned a huge military buildup to upgrade Malaysia's armed forces, including two submarines from Armaris and the lease of a third, a retired French Navy Agosta-class boat. There were also Sukhoi supersonic fighter jets from Russia and millions of dollars spent on coastal patrol boats. All have come under suspicion by opposition leaders in Malaysia's parliament but UMNO has stifled any investigation. Asked personally about the cases, Najib has responded angrily and refused to reply.

Despite efforts to bury it, the case achieved considerably notoriety after the murder of Altantuya Shaariibuu, a 28-year-old Mongolian translator and Razak Baginda's jilted lover, who participated in negotiations over the purchase of the submarines. By her own admission in a letter found after her death, she was attempting to blackmail Razak Baginda for US$500,000.

She was shot in October 2006 and her body was blown up with military explosives by two bodyguards attached to Najib's office after Razak Baginda, went to Najib's chief of staff, Musa Safri, for help in keeping her away from him. Not long after being acquitted in November 2008 under questionable circumstances of participating in her murder, Razak Baginda left the country for England. The bodyguards were convicted but no motive was ever established for their actions.

The submarine deal was never brought up in court during a months-long murder trial that was marked by prosecutors, defense attorneys and the judge working studiously to keep Najib's name out of the proceedings. A private detective hired by Razak Baginda to protect him from the furious Altantuya filed a statutory declaration after the trial indicating that Najib had actually been the victim's lover and had passed her on to Razak Baginda.

The detective, P. Balasubramaniam, said later that he was unceremoniously run out of Kuala Lumpur. He eventually emerged from hiding in India to say he had been offered RM5 million (US$1.57 million) by a businessman close to Najib's wife to shut up and get out of town. He also said he had met Nazim Razak, Najib's younger brother, and was told to recant his testimony.

In the current complaint in Paris, the issue revolves around what, if anything, Razak Baginda's Perimekar company did to deserve €114 million. Zainal Abidin, the deputy defense minister at the time of the sale, told parliament that Perimekar had received the amount – 11 percent of the sale price of the submarines – for "coordination and support services." The Paris filing alleges that there were neither support nor services.

Perimekar was registered in 2001, a few months before the signing of the contracts for the sale, the Paris complaint states. The company, it said flatly, "did not have the financial resources to complete the contract." A review of the accounts in 2001 and 2002, the complaint said, "makes it an obvious fact that this corporation had absolutely no capacity, or legal means or financial ability and/or expertise to support such a contract."

"None of the directors and shareholders of Perimekar have the slightest experience in the construction, maintenance or submarine logistics," the complaint adds. "Under the terms of the contract, €114 million were related to the different stages of construction of the submarines." The apparent consideration, supposedly on the part of Perimekar, "would be apa diem and Malaysian crews and accommodation costs during their training. There is therefore no link between billing steps and stages of completion of the consideration."

As Asia Sentinel reported on April 1, services for the subs are being performed by a well-connected firm called Boustead DCNS, a joint venture between BHIC Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd, a subsidiary of publicly-listed Boustead Heavy Industries Corp Bhd, and DCNS SA, a subsidiary of DCN. Boustead's Heavy Industries Division now includes Perimekar as an "associate of the Group. PSB is involved in the marketing, upgrading, maintenance and related services for the Malaysian maritime defence industry," according to Boustead's annual report.

Originally Boustead told the Malaysian Stock Exchange that the service contract was for RM600 million (US$184.1 million) for six years, or US$30.68 million annually. However, the contract later ballooned to RM270 million apa year. Boustead Holdings is partly owned by the government and has close connections with UMNO.

"There are good grounds to believe that was created with a single objective: arrange payment of the commission and allocate the amount between different beneficiaries including Malaysian public officials and or Malaysian or foreign intermediaries," the complaint states.




depa sendiri pun pertikai cara malaysia dalam pembelian kapal selam ni...hang apa tahu??buat raja lawak saja :lucu: :lucu: :lucu:

lepas tu berdegar2 cakap kapal selam ni paling canggih......lawak betul......nah lagi hang baca berapa kos kapal ni...melampau2 tinggi

.


hah ni lagi polis perancis pun serbu syarikat scorpene ni

!!! QUOTE !!!

Polis Perancis menyerbu pejabat pengeluar senjata DCNS dan kumpulan industri Thales berhubung siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam kepada Malaysia, demikian menurut sumber kehakiman semalam. Dokumen-dokumen dirampas dalam serbuan tersebut minggu lalu, tambah sumber itu.Thales enggan mengulas perkara itu, manakala DCNS memberitahu AFP bahawa ia "tidak mengesah atau menafikan maklumat tersebut."

"Satu siasatan sedang dijalankan dan kami tidak boleh memberi sebarang komen."

Mac lalu, Pejabat pendakwaraya Paris memulakan siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam tersebut pada tahun 2002 ekoran aduan yang dibuat oleh badan hak asasi manusia dari Malaysia, Suaram. Suaram mendakwa Armaris - anak syarikat Thales dan DCN - telah membayar komisyen sebanyak 114 juta euro kepada syarikat Malaysia Perimekar, yang dikaitkan dengan individu yang rapat dengan Perdana Menteri sekarang, Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak .

Najib merupakan merupakan menteri pertahanan pada tahun 2002 dan bertanggungjawab dalam rundingan kontrak tersebut. Sejak tahun 2000, bayaran komisyen bagi kontrak yang berkaitan dengan pemimpin asing merupakan satu rasuah di bawah undang-undang Perancis.

Pada 2002, The DCN menyertai Thales dan kumpulan pembinaan Navantia dalam kontrak untuk menjual tiga kapal selam kepada Malaysia pada sekitar harga satu bilion euro.

Lewat April lalu, seorang jurucakap Pejabat Perdana Menteri menegaskan bahawa "tiada kes" untuk dijawab. Menurutnya, urusniaga tersebut bebas daripada rasuah dan tidak benar Perimekar mendapat manfaat secara tidak betul daripada urusniaga tersebut.



pasal canggih tu pula mai banding tengok mana lagi canggih

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1342/kds3c.jpg

nah lagi scorpene boleh challenge yang ni juga ka :sopan: :sopan:

http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/SHIP_SSN_Virginia_Class_Cutaway_lg.jpg



WHAT???

THE STATEMENT OF WIKIPEDIA WRONGGG?? :sopan:

FUNNY..FUNNY...

ALL PEOPLE USE IT TO DO RESEARCH MAAAAA.... :sopan:

YOU SEE THIS ALSOO...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fopCXYHeSrM

IT 'SURVIVE' OR 'DIED'..???? :sopan:

YOU THINK ITS FUNNY OR NOT??? :sopan:

ANSWERR MY QUESTIONNN NOWWWWWWWWWWW......... :sopan:



wakakaka......nampak sangatlah bengap........wikipedia tu siapa2 boleh edit...dah banyak kes edit hang mahu jadi bahan rujukan ka??? :lucu: :lucu:

video tu pun hang nak rujuk ka??

mai compare dengan kapal selam ni apa beza scorpene dengan kapal selam kelas virginia dari segi equipment dan kos pembinaan




.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/135-bn-for-fy-2006-virginia-class-submarine-procurement-01821/

:sopan:

WHAT??

I DISCUSS ABOUT SCORPENEEE................ :sopan:

NOT VIRGINIA OR KURNIAAAA.............. :sopan:

LET SEE MALAYSIAN SCORPENE VIDEOO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzIdmLIAE4

DONT 'ALIH-ALIH CEGHITA NOOOO...............

:sopan:




kan dah cakap,dah bengap tu bengap juga....orang bagi perbandingan hang alih cerita hang tuding orang pula

:lucu: :lucu:

awat hang bagi video promosi saja????tak ada video lain ka :sopan: :sopan:


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habis tu kau cakap tak boleh survive kalau tak repair..

kau bagi lah bukti juga,survive jadah apa?kekekekekeke...

kau ni memang pencacai umno terbaik lah..kaki pusing...wakakkakakkaka



YOU WANT TO SEE MY EVIDENCE??? :sopan:

LET SEE THIS....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpwvoWH6cQs

AND THISSS....

KAPAL SELAM SCORPENE

Kapal selam kelas Scorpèmana merupakan satu kelas kapal selam penyerang berkuasa diesel-elektrik . Ia memperlihatkan pendorongan diesel dan satu tambahan pendorongan bebas udara atau "air-independent propulsion" (AIP), yang telah dibangunkan bersama oleh syarikat Perancis DCNS, sebelum itu dikenali sebagai DCN, dan syarikat Sepanyol, Navantia (Dulu dikenali sebagai Bazan, kemudian Izar).

Tentera Laut Chile telah memesan dua Scorpèmana, yang akan menggantikan dua kapal selam kelas Oberon yang telah ditamatkan perkhidmatan oleh Tentera Laut Chile. Tentera Laut DiRaja Malaysia telah memesan dua (dinamakan juga kelas Perdana Menteri, dan Tentera Laut India telah memesan enam. Semuanya akan dibina di Mazagon Dock Limited, India dan tiga terakhir akan dilengkapi dengan modul AIP. Pada tahun 2008, Tentera Laut Brazil telah memesan empat buah Scorpèmana. Terdapat juga laporan yang mengatakan bahawa kapal selam kelima telah dipesan untuk dibangunkan sendiri dengan loji pendorongan nuklear. Walaupun ia mungkin satu jenis kapal selam kelas Barrakuda. Kapal selam Scorpèmana kelas O'Higgins dan Carrera milik Chile telah disempurnakan dalam tahun 2005 dan 2006 masing-masing, dan buat masa ini hanya dua beroperasi.

sumber:wikipedia...


WHERE YOUR EVIDENCE???

I WILL BE WAITINGGG..........

DONT BE A LIARRR..........

I WANT TO SEE TOOO...... :sopan:



bagi video saja ka???ambil sumber dari wiki saja hang pandai ek....wiki tu saya pun boleh edit ikut suka saya tapi hang ambil tu jadi bukti ka???lawak betul hang ni....hang tahu copy saja tapi tak tahu apa yang diperlukan dalam nak beli peralatan tempur

Sebelumnya, Indian Navy & Chilean Navy pun sudah beli kapal selam ini, dan ternyata kapal selamnya memang tidak berfungsi dengan baik. Indian Navy bahkan menuntut kompensasi kepada pabrik kapal selam ini di Perancis atas performance kapal selam ini yang tidak bagus....

plus hang tengok ni pula???adoi boleh pula rosak pula ya...satu tak boleh tenggelam satu lagi tak boleh timbul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC-zEmeUMXU&feature=related


hah negara pengeluar pun dah pertikai kapal selam ni apa hang nak cer


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Murky arms deal linked to international pattern of kickbacks

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.


Written by John Berthelsen, Asia Sentinel

A potentially explosive scandal in Malaysia over the billion-dollar purchase of French submarines, a deal engineered by then-Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak, has broken out of the domestic arena with the filing of a request to investigate bribery and kickbacks from the deal in a Paris court.

Although the case has been contained for eight years in the cozy confines of Malaysia's courts and parliament, which are dominated by the ruling National Coalition, French lawyers William Bourdon, Renaud Semerdjian and Joseph Breham put an end to that when they filed it with Parisian prosecutors on behalf of the Malaysian human rights organization Suaram, which supports good-government causes.

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.

For two years, Parisian prosecutors, led by investigating judges Francoise Besset Francoise Besset and Jean-Christophe Hullin, have been gingerly investigating allegations involving senior French political figures and the sales of submarines and other weaponry to governments all over the world. French news reports have said the prosecutors have backed away from some of the most serious charges out of concern for the political fallout.

The allegations relate to one of France's biggest defense conglomerates, the state-owned shipbuilder DCN, which merged with the French electronics company Thales in 2005 to become a dominant force in the European defense industry. DCN's subsidiary Armaris is the manufacturer of Scorpene-class diesel submarines sold to India, Pakistan and Malaysia among other countries. All of the contracts, according to the lawyers acting for Suaram, a Malaysian human rights NGO, are said to be suspect.

With Najib having moved on from the defense portfolio he held when the deal was put together in 2002 to become prime minister and head of the country's largest political party, the mess has the potential to become a major liability for the government and the United Malays National Organisation. Given the power of UMNO, it is unlikely the scandal would ever get a complete airing in a Malaysian court, which is presumably why Suaram reached out to French prosecutors.

"The filings are very recent and have so far prompted a preliminary police inquiry on the financial aspects of the deal," said Philippe Vasset, the editor in chief of a Paris-based military intelligence website. "There isn't a formal investigation yet. The investigation will most likely use documents seized at DCN in the course of another investigation, focusing on bribes paid by DCN in Pakistan."

Vasset said police have confined their inquiry to bribery allegations so far and have not looked into the 2006 murder of a Mongolian woman in Malaysia who was a translator on the deal for Najib and his friend, Abdul Razak Baginda, during a visit to Paris.

There have been numerous deaths involving DCN defense sales in Taiwan and Pakistan. Prosecutors are suspicious that 11 French submarine engineers who were murdered in a 2002 bomb blast in Karachi – first thought to have been the work of Al Qaeda – were actually killed in retaliation for the fact that the French had reneged on millions of dollars in kickbacks to Pakistani military officers.

The Malaysian allegations revolve around the payment of €114 million to a Malaysia-based company called Perimekar, for support services surrounding the sale of the submarines. Perimekar was wholly owned by another company, KS Ombak Laut Sdn Bhd, which in turn was controlled by Najib's best friend, Razak Baginda, whose wife Mazalinda, a lawyer and former magistrate, was the principal shareholder, according to the French lawyers.

"Over the pasti years, serious cases have been investigated in France by judges involving DCN," lawyer Renaud Semerdjian told Asia Sentinel in a telephone interview. "This is not the first case of this kind that is being investigated. There are others in Pakistan and there are some issues about India. To a certain extent, every time weapons of any kind have been provided, suspicion of violation of the law may be very high."

As defense minister from 2000 to 2008, Najib commissioned a huge military buildup to upgrade Malaysia's armed forces, including two submarines from Armaris and the lease of a third, a retired French Navy Agosta-class boat. There were also Sukhoi supersonic fighter jets from Russia and millions of dollars spent on coastal patrol boats. All have come under suspicion by opposition leaders in Malaysia's parliament but UMNO has stifled any investigation. Asked personally about the cases, Najib has responded angrily and refused to reply.

Despite efforts to bury it, the case achieved considerably notoriety after the murder of Altantuya Shaariibuu, a 28-year-old Mongolian translator and Razak Baginda's jilted lover, who participated in negotiations over the purchase of the submarines. By her own admission in a letter found after her death, she was attempting to blackmail Razak Baginda for US$500,000.

She was shot in October 2006 and her body was blown up with military explosives by two bodyguards attached to Najib's office after Razak Baginda, went to Najib's chief of staff, Musa Safri, for help in keeping her away from him. Not long after being acquitted in November 2008 under questionable circumstances of participating in her murder, Razak Baginda left the country for England. The bodyguards were convicted but no motive was ever established for their actions.

The submarine deal was never brought up in court during a months-long murder trial that was marked by prosecutors, defense attorneys and the judge working studiously to keep Najib's name out of the proceedings. A private detective hired by Razak Baginda to protect him from the furious Altantuya filed a statutory declaration after the trial indicating that Najib had actually been the victim's lover and had passed her on to Razak Baginda.

The detective, P. Balasubramaniam, said later that he was unceremoniously run out of Kuala Lumpur. He eventually emerged from hiding in India to say he had been offered RM5 million (US$1.57 million) by a businessman close to Najib's wife to shut up and get out of town. He also said he had met Nazim Razak, Najib's younger brother, and was told to recant his testimony.

In the current complaint in Paris, the issue revolves around what, if anything, Razak Baginda's Perimekar company did to deserve €114 million. Zainal Abidin, the deputy defense minister at the time of the sale, told parliament that Perimekar had received the amount – 11 percent of the sale price of the submarines – for "coordination and support services." The Paris filing alleges that there were neither support nor services.

Perimekar was registered in 2001, a few months before the signing of the contracts for the sale, the Paris complaint states. The company, it said flatly, "did not have the financial resources to complete the contract." A review of the accounts in 2001 and 2002, the complaint said, "makes it an obvious fact that this corporation had absolutely no capacity, or legal means or financial ability and/or expertise to support such a contract."

"None of the directors and shareholders of Perimekar have the slightest experience in the construction, maintenance or submarine logistics," the complaint adds. "Under the terms of the contract, €114 million were related to the different stages of construction of the submarines." The apparent consideration, supposedly on the part of Perimekar, "would be apa diem and Malaysian crews and accommodation costs during their training. There is therefore no link between billing steps and stages of completion of the consideration."

As Asia Sentinel reported on April 1, services for the subs are being performed by a well-connected firm called Boustead DCNS, a joint venture between BHIC Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd, a subsidiary of publicly-listed Boustead Heavy Industries Corp Bhd, and DCNS SA, a subsidiary of DCN. Boustead's Heavy Industries Division now includes Perimekar as an "associate of the Group. PSB is involved in the marketing, upgrading, maintenance and related services for the Malaysian maritime defence industry," according to Boustead's annual report.

Originally Boustead told the Malaysian Stock Exchange that the service contract was for RM600 million (US$184.1 million) for six years, or US$30.68 million annually. However, the contract later ballooned to RM270 million apa year. Boustead Holdings is partly owned by the government and has close connections with UMNO.

"There are good grounds to believe that was created with a single objective: arrange payment of the commission and allocate the amount between different beneficiaries including Malaysian public officials and or Malaysian or foreign intermediaries," the complaint states.




depa sendiri pun pertikai cara malaysia dalam pembelian kapal selam ni...hang apa tahu??buat raja lawak saja :lucu: :lucu: :lucu:

lepas tu berdegar2 cakap kapal selam ni paling canggih......lawak betul......nah lagi hang baca berapa kos kapal ni...melampau2 tinggi

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hah ni lagi polis perancis pun serbu syarikat scorpene ni

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Polis Perancis menyerbu pejabat pengeluar senjata DCNS dan kumpulan industri Thales berhubung siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam kepada Malaysia, demikian menurut sumber kehakiman semalam. Dokumen-dokumen dirampas dalam serbuan tersebut minggu lalu, tambah sumber itu.Thales enggan mengulas perkara itu, manakala DCNS memberitahu AFP bahawa ia "tidak mengesah atau menafikan maklumat tersebut."

"Satu siasatan sedang dijalankan dan kami tidak boleh memberi sebarang komen."

Mac lalu, Pejabat pendakwaraya Paris memulakan siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam tersebut pada tahun 2002 ekoran aduan yang dibuat oleh badan hak asasi manusia dari Malaysia, Suaram. Suaram mendakwa Armaris - anak syarikat Thales dan DCN - telah membayar komisyen sebanyak 114 juta euro kepada syarikat Malaysia Perimekar, yang dikaitkan dengan individu yang rapat dengan Perdana Menteri sekarang, Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak .

Najib merupakan merupakan menteri pertahanan pada tahun 2002 dan bertanggungjawab dalam rundingan kontrak tersebut. Sejak tahun 2000, bayaran komisyen bagi kontrak yang berkaitan dengan pemimpin asing merupakan satu rasuah di bawah undang-undang Perancis.

Pada 2002, The DCN menyertai Thales dan kumpulan pembinaan Navantia dalam kontrak untuk menjual tiga kapal selam kepada Malaysia pada sekitar harga satu bilion euro.

Lewat April lalu, seorang jurucakap Pejabat Perdana Menteri menegaskan bahawa "tiada kes" untuk dijawab. Menurutnya, urusniaga tersebut bebas daripada rasuah dan tidak benar Perimekar mendapat manfaat secara tidak betul daripada urusniaga tersebut.



pasal canggih tu pula mai banding tengok mana lagi canggih

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1342/kds3c.jpg

nah lagi scorpene boleh challenge yang ni juga ka :sopan: :sopan:

http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/SHIP_SSN_Virginia_Class_Cutaway_lg.jpg



WHAT???

THE STATEMENT OF WIKIPEDIA WRONGGG?? :sopan:

FUNNY..FUNNY...

ALL PEOPLE USE IT TO DO RESEARCH MAAAAA.... :sopan:

YOU SEE THIS ALSOO...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fopCXYHeSrM

IT 'SURVIVE' OR 'DIED'..???? :sopan:

YOU THINK ITS FUNNY OR NOT??? :sopan:

ANSWERR MY QUESTIONNN NOWWWWWWWWWWW......... :sopan:



wakakaka......nampak sangatlah bengap........wikipedia tu siapa2 boleh edit...dah banyak kes edit hang mahu jadi bahan rujukan ka??? :lucu: :lucu:

video tu pun hang nak rujuk ka??

mai compare dengan kapal selam ni apa beza scorpene dengan kapal selam kelas virginia dari segi equipment dan kos pembinaan




.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/135-bn-for-fy-2006-virginia-class-submarine-procurement-01821/

:sopan:

WHAT??

I DISCUSS ABOUT SCORPENEEE................ :sopan:

NOT VIRGINIA OR KURNIAAAA.............. :sopan:

LET SEE MALAYSIAN SCORPENE VIDEOO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzIdmLIAE4

DONT 'ALIH-ALIH CEGHITA NOOOO...............

:sopan:




kan dah cakap,dah bengap tu bengap juga....orang bagi perbandingan hang alih cerita hang tuding orang pula

:lucu: :lucu:

awat hang bagi video promosi saja????tak ada video lain ka :sopan: :sopan:



I TALKING ABOUT SCORPENEEE....

WHY YOU 'PUSING-PUSING' HAHHH??? :sopan:

LET TALK ABOUT SCORPENEEEEEEEEEE............... :sopan:



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habis tu kau cakap tak boleh survive kalau tak repair..

kau bagi lah bukti juga,survive jadah apa?kekekekekeke...

kau ni memang pencacai umno terbaik lah..kaki pusing...wakakkakakkaka



YOU WANT TO SEE MY EVIDENCE??? :sopan:

LET SEE THIS....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpwvoWH6cQs

AND THISSS....

KAPAL SELAM SCORPENE

Kapal selam kelas Scorpèmana merupakan satu kelas kapal selam penyerang berkuasa diesel-elektrik . Ia memperlihatkan pendorongan diesel dan satu tambahan pendorongan bebas udara atau "air-independent propulsion" (AIP), yang telah dibangunkan bersama oleh syarikat Perancis DCNS, sebelum itu dikenali sebagai DCN, dan syarikat Sepanyol, Navantia (Dulu dikenali sebagai Bazan, kemudian Izar).

Tentera Laut Chile telah memesan dua Scorpèmana, yang akan menggantikan dua kapal selam kelas Oberon yang telah ditamatkan perkhidmatan oleh Tentera Laut Chile. Tentera Laut DiRaja Malaysia telah memesan dua (dinamakan juga kelas Perdana Menteri, dan Tentera Laut India telah memesan enam. Semuanya akan dibina di Mazagon Dock Limited, India dan tiga terakhir akan dilengkapi dengan modul AIP. Pada tahun 2008, Tentera Laut Brazil telah memesan empat buah Scorpèmana. Terdapat juga laporan yang mengatakan bahawa kapal selam kelima telah dipesan untuk dibangunkan sendiri dengan loji pendorongan nuklear. Walaupun ia mungkin satu jenis kapal selam kelas Barrakuda. Kapal selam Scorpèmana kelas O'Higgins dan Carrera milik Chile telah disempurnakan dalam tahun 2005 dan 2006 masing-masing, dan buat masa ini hanya dua beroperasi.

sumber:wikipedia...


WHERE YOUR EVIDENCE???

I WILL BE WAITINGGG..........

DONT BE A LIARRR..........

I WANT TO SEE TOOO...... :sopan:



bagi video saja ka???ambil sumber dari wiki saja hang pandai ek....wiki tu saya pun boleh edit ikut suka saya tapi hang ambil tu jadi bukti ka???lawak betul hang ni....hang tahu copy saja tapi tak tahu apa yang diperlukan dalam nak beli peralatan tempur

Sebelumnya, Indian Navy & Chilean Navy pun sudah beli kapal selam ini, dan ternyata kapal selamnya memang tidak berfungsi dengan baik. Indian Navy bahkan menuntut kompensasi kepada pabrik kapal selam ini di Perancis atas performance kapal selam ini yang tidak bagus....

plus hang tengok ni pula???adoi boleh pula rosak pula ya...satu tak boleh tenggelam satu lagi tak boleh timbul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC-zEmeUMXU&feature=related


hah negara pengeluar pun dah pertikai kapal selam ni apa hang nak cer


!!! QUOTE !!!

Murky arms deal linked to international pattern of kickbacks

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.


Written by John Berthelsen, Asia Sentinel

A potentially explosive scandal in Malaysia over the billion-dollar purchase of French submarines, a deal engineered by then-Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak, has broken out of the domestic arena with the filing of a request to investigate bribery and kickbacks from the deal in a Paris court.

Although the case has been contained for eight years in the cozy confines of Malaysia's courts and parliament, which are dominated by the ruling National Coalition, French lawyers William Bourdon, Renaud Semerdjian and Joseph Breham put an end to that when they filed it with Parisian prosecutors on behalf of the Malaysian human rights organization Suaram, which supports good-government causes.

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.

For two years, Parisian prosecutors, led by investigating judges Francoise Besset Francoise Besset and Jean-Christophe Hullin, have been gingerly investigating allegations involving senior French political figures and the sales of submarines and other weaponry to governments all over the world. French news reports have said the prosecutors have backed away from some of the most serious charges out of concern for the political fallout.

The allegations relate to one of France's biggest defense conglomerates, the state-owned shipbuilder DCN, which merged with the French electronics company Thales in 2005 to become a dominant force in the European defense industry. DCN's subsidiary Armaris is the manufacturer of Scorpene-class diesel submarines sold to India, Pakistan and Malaysia among other countries. All of the contracts, according to the lawyers acting for Suaram, a Malaysian human rights NGO, are said to be suspect.

With Najib having moved on from the defense portfolio he held when the deal was put together in 2002 to become prime minister and head of the country's largest political party, the mess has the potential to become a major liability for the government and the United Malays National Organisation. Given the power of UMNO, it is unlikely the scandal would ever get a complete airing in a Malaysian court, which is presumably why Suaram reached out to French prosecutors.

"The filings are very recent and have so far prompted a preliminary police inquiry on the financial aspects of the deal," said Philippe Vasset, the editor in chief of a Paris-based military intelligence website. "There isn't a formal investigation yet. The investigation will most likely use documents seized at DCN in the course of another investigation, focusing on bribes paid by DCN in Pakistan."

Vasset said police have confined their inquiry to bribery allegations so far and have not looked into the 2006 murder of a Mongolian woman in Malaysia who was a translator on the deal for Najib and his friend, Abdul Razak Baginda, during a visit to Paris.

There have been numerous deaths involving DCN defense sales in Taiwan and Pakistan. Prosecutors are suspicious that 11 French submarine engineers who were murdered in a 2002 bomb blast in Karachi – first thought to have been the work of Al Qaeda – were actually killed in retaliation for the fact that the French had reneged on millions of dollars in kickbacks to Pakistani military officers.

The Malaysian allegations revolve around the payment of €114 million to a Malaysia-based company called Perimekar, for support services surrounding the sale of the submarines. Perimekar was wholly owned by another company, KS Ombak Laut Sdn Bhd, which in turn was controlled by Najib's best friend, Razak Baginda, whose wife Mazalinda, a lawyer and former magistrate, was the principal shareholder, according to the French lawyers.

"Over the pasti years, serious cases have been investigated in France by judges involving DCN," lawyer Renaud Semerdjian told Asia Sentinel in a telephone interview. "This is not the first case of this kind that is being investigated. There are others in Pakistan and there are some issues about India. To a certain extent, every time weapons of any kind have been provided, suspicion of violation of the law may be very high."

As defense minister from 2000 to 2008, Najib commissioned a huge military buildup to upgrade Malaysia's armed forces, including two submarines from Armaris and the lease of a third, a retired French Navy Agosta-class boat. There were also Sukhoi supersonic fighter jets from Russia and millions of dollars spent on coastal patrol boats. All have come under suspicion by opposition leaders in Malaysia's parliament but UMNO has stifled any investigation. Asked personally about the cases, Najib has responded angrily and refused to reply.

Despite efforts to bury it, the case achieved considerably notoriety after the murder of Altantuya Shaariibuu, a 28-year-old Mongolian translator and Razak Baginda's jilted lover, who participated in negotiations over the purchase of the submarines. By her own admission in a letter found after her death, she was attempting to blackmail Razak Baginda for US$500,000.

She was shot in October 2006 and her body was blown up with military explosives by two bodyguards attached to Najib's office after Razak Baginda, went to Najib's chief of staff, Musa Safri, for help in keeping her away from him. Not long after being acquitted in November 2008 under questionable circumstances of participating in her murder, Razak Baginda left the country for England. The bodyguards were convicted but no motive was ever established for their actions.

The submarine deal was never brought up in court during a months-long murder trial that was marked by prosecutors, defense attorneys and the judge working studiously to keep Najib's name out of the proceedings. A private detective hired by Razak Baginda to protect him from the furious Altantuya filed a statutory declaration after the trial indicating that Najib had actually been the victim's lover and had passed her on to Razak Baginda.

The detective, P. Balasubramaniam, said later that he was unceremoniously run out of Kuala Lumpur. He eventually emerged from hiding in India to say he had been offered RM5 million (US$1.57 million) by a businessman close to Najib's wife to shut up and get out of town. He also said he had met Nazim Razak, Najib's younger brother, and was told to recant his testimony.

In the current complaint in Paris, the issue revolves around what, if anything, Razak Baginda's Perimekar company did to deserve €114 million. Zainal Abidin, the deputy defense minister at the time of the sale, told parliament that Perimekar had received the amount – 11 percent of the sale price of the submarines – for "coordination and support services." The Paris filing alleges that there were neither support nor services.

Perimekar was registered in 2001, a few months before the signing of the contracts for the sale, the Paris complaint states. The company, it said flatly, "did not have the financial resources to complete the contract." A review of the accounts in 2001 and 2002, the complaint said, "makes it an obvious fact that this corporation had absolutely no capacity, or legal means or financial ability and/or expertise to support such a contract."

"None of the directors and shareholders of Perimekar have the slightest experience in the construction, maintenance or submarine logistics," the complaint adds. "Under the terms of the contract, €114 million were related to the different stages of construction of the submarines." The apparent consideration, supposedly on the part of Perimekar, "would be apa diem and Malaysian crews and accommodation costs during their training. There is therefore no link between billing steps and stages of completion of the consideration."

As Asia Sentinel reported on April 1, services for the subs are being performed by a well-connected firm called Boustead DCNS, a joint venture between BHIC Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd, a subsidiary of publicly-listed Boustead Heavy Industries Corp Bhd, and DCNS SA, a subsidiary of DCN. Boustead's Heavy Industries Division now includes Perimekar as an "associate of the Group. PSB is involved in the marketing, upgrading, maintenance and related services for the Malaysian maritime defence industry," according to Boustead's annual report.

Originally Boustead told the Malaysian Stock Exchange that the service contract was for RM600 million (US$184.1 million) for six years, or US$30.68 million annually. However, the contract later ballooned to RM270 million apa year. Boustead Holdings is partly owned by the government and has close connections with UMNO.

"There are good grounds to believe that was created with a single objective: arrange payment of the commission and allocate the amount between different beneficiaries including Malaysian public officials and or Malaysian or foreign intermediaries," the complaint states.




depa sendiri pun pertikai cara malaysia dalam pembelian kapal selam ni...hang apa tahu??buat raja lawak saja :lucu: :lucu: :lucu:

lepas tu berdegar2 cakap kapal selam ni paling canggih......lawak betul......nah lagi hang baca berapa kos kapal ni...melampau2 tinggi

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hah ni lagi polis perancis pun serbu syarikat scorpene ni

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Polis Perancis menyerbu pejabat pengeluar senjata DCNS dan kumpulan industri Thales berhubung siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam kepada Malaysia, demikian menurut sumber kehakiman semalam. Dokumen-dokumen dirampas dalam serbuan tersebut minggu lalu, tambah sumber itu.Thales enggan mengulas perkara itu, manakala DCNS memberitahu AFP bahawa ia "tidak mengesah atau menafikan maklumat tersebut."

"Satu siasatan sedang dijalankan dan kami tidak boleh memberi sebarang komen."

Mac lalu, Pejabat pendakwaraya Paris memulakan siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam tersebut pada tahun 2002 ekoran aduan yang dibuat oleh badan hak asasi manusia dari Malaysia, Suaram. Suaram mendakwa Armaris - anak syarikat Thales dan DCN - telah membayar komisyen sebanyak 114 juta euro kepada syarikat Malaysia Perimekar, yang dikaitkan dengan individu yang rapat dengan Perdana Menteri sekarang, Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak .

Najib merupakan merupakan menteri pertahanan pada tahun 2002 dan bertanggungjawab dalam rundingan kontrak tersebut. Sejak tahun 2000, bayaran komisyen bagi kontrak yang berkaitan dengan pemimpin asing merupakan satu rasuah di bawah undang-undang Perancis.

Pada 2002, The DCN menyertai Thales dan kumpulan pembinaan Navantia dalam kontrak untuk menjual tiga kapal selam kepada Malaysia pada sekitar harga satu bilion euro.

Lewat April lalu, seorang jurucakap Pejabat Perdana Menteri menegaskan bahawa "tiada kes" untuk dijawab. Menurutnya, urusniaga tersebut bebas daripada rasuah dan tidak benar Perimekar mendapat manfaat secara tidak betul daripada urusniaga tersebut.



pasal canggih tu pula mai banding tengok mana lagi canggih

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1342/kds3c.jpg

nah lagi scorpene boleh challenge yang ni juga ka :sopan: :sopan:

http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/SHIP_SSN_Virginia_Class_Cutaway_lg.jpg



WHAT???

THE STATEMENT OF WIKIPEDIA WRONGGG?? :sopan:

FUNNY..FUNNY...

ALL PEOPLE USE IT TO DO RESEARCH MAAAAA.... :sopan:

YOU SEE THIS ALSOO...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fopCXYHeSrM

IT 'SURVIVE' OR 'DIED'..???? :sopan:

YOU THINK ITS FUNNY OR NOT??? :sopan:

ANSWERR MY QUESTIONNN NOWWWWWWWWWWW......... :sopan:



wakakaka......nampak sangatlah bengap........wikipedia tu siapa2 boleh edit...dah banyak kes edit hang mahu jadi bahan rujukan ka??? :lucu: :lucu:

video tu pun hang nak rujuk ka??

mai compare dengan kapal selam ni apa beza scorpene dengan kapal selam kelas virginia dari segi equipment dan kos pembinaan




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http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/135-bn-for-fy-2006-virginia-class-submarine-procurement-01821/

:sopan:

WHAT??

I DISCUSS ABOUT SCORPENEEE................ :sopan:

NOT VIRGINIA OR KURNIAAAA.............. :sopan:

LET SEE MALAYSIAN SCORPENE VIDEOO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzIdmLIAE4

DONT 'ALIH-ALIH CEGHITA NOOOO...............

:sopan:




kan dah cakap,dah bengap tu bengap juga....orang bagi perbandingan hang alih cerita hang tuding orang pula

:lucu: :lucu:

awat hang bagi video promosi saja????tak ada video lain ka :sopan: :sopan:



I TALKING ABOUT SCORPENEEE....

WHY YOU 'PUSING-PUSING' HAHHH??? :sopan:

LET TALK ABOUT SCORPENEEEEEEEEEE............... :sopan:




scorpene tak banyak negara nak pakai sebab tak diyakini dari segi prestasi.....sekarang syarikat tu pula kena serbu sebab ada salah laku

now i'm talking about scorpene in terms of cost,performance

awat kos beli lagi mahal sampai bilion2???negara lain murah saja????kalah pula nak buat kapal selam virginia US lagi tu :sopan: :sopan:

bengap oh bengap


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habis tu kau cakap tak boleh survive kalau tak repair..

kau bagi lah bukti juga,survive jadah apa?kekekekekeke...

kau ni memang pencacai umno terbaik lah..kaki pusing...wakakkakakkaka



YOU WANT TO SEE MY EVIDENCE??? :sopan:

LET SEE THIS....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpwvoWH6cQs

AND THISSS....

KAPAL SELAM SCORPENE

Kapal selam kelas Scorpèmana merupakan satu kelas kapal selam penyerang berkuasa diesel-elektrik . Ia memperlihatkan pendorongan diesel dan satu tambahan pendorongan bebas udara atau "air-independent propulsion" (AIP), yang telah dibangunkan bersama oleh syarikat Perancis DCNS, sebelum itu dikenali sebagai DCN, dan syarikat Sepanyol, Navantia (Dulu dikenali sebagai Bazan, kemudian Izar).

Tentera Laut Chile telah memesan dua Scorpèmana, yang akan menggantikan dua kapal selam kelas Oberon yang telah ditamatkan perkhidmatan oleh Tentera Laut Chile. Tentera Laut DiRaja Malaysia telah memesan dua (dinamakan juga kelas Perdana Menteri, dan Tentera Laut India telah memesan enam. Semuanya akan dibina di Mazagon Dock Limited, India dan tiga terakhir akan dilengkapi dengan modul AIP. Pada tahun 2008, Tentera Laut Brazil telah memesan empat buah Scorpèmana. Terdapat juga laporan yang mengatakan bahawa kapal selam kelima telah dipesan untuk dibangunkan sendiri dengan loji pendorongan nuklear. Walaupun ia mungkin satu jenis kapal selam kelas Barrakuda. Kapal selam Scorpèmana kelas O'Higgins dan Carrera milik Chile telah disempurnakan dalam tahun 2005 dan 2006 masing-masing, dan buat masa ini hanya dua beroperasi.

sumber:wikipedia...


WHERE YOUR EVIDENCE???

I WILL BE WAITINGGG..........

DONT BE A LIARRR..........

I WANT TO SEE TOOO...... :sopan:



bagi video saja ka???ambil sumber dari wiki saja hang pandai ek....wiki tu saya pun boleh edit ikut suka saya tapi hang ambil tu jadi bukti ka???lawak betul hang ni....hang tahu copy saja tapi tak tahu apa yang diperlukan dalam nak beli peralatan tempur

Sebelumnya, Indian Navy & Chilean Navy pun sudah beli kapal selam ini, dan ternyata kapal selamnya memang tidak berfungsi dengan baik. Indian Navy bahkan menuntut kompensasi kepada pabrik kapal selam ini di Perancis atas performance kapal selam ini yang tidak bagus....

plus hang tengok ni pula???adoi boleh pula rosak pula ya...satu tak boleh tenggelam satu lagi tak boleh timbul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC-zEmeUMXU&feature=related


hah negara pengeluar pun dah pertikai kapal selam ni apa hang nak cer


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Murky arms deal linked to international pattern of kickbacks

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.


Written by John Berthelsen, Asia Sentinel

A potentially explosive scandal in Malaysia over the billion-dollar purchase of French submarines, a deal engineered by then-Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak, has broken out of the domestic arena with the filing of a request to investigate bribery and kickbacks from the deal in a Paris court.

Although the case has been contained for eight years in the cozy confines of Malaysia's courts and parliament, which are dominated by the ruling National Coalition, French lawyers William Bourdon, Renaud Semerdjian and Joseph Breham put an end to that when they filed it with Parisian prosecutors on behalf of the Malaysian human rights organization Suaram, which supports good-government causes.

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.

For two years, Parisian prosecutors, led by investigating judges Francoise Besset Francoise Besset and Jean-Christophe Hullin, have been gingerly investigating allegations involving senior French political figures and the sales of submarines and other weaponry to governments all over the world. French news reports have said the prosecutors have backed away from some of the most serious charges out of concern for the political fallout.

The allegations relate to one of France's biggest defense conglomerates, the state-owned shipbuilder DCN, which merged with the French electronics company Thales in 2005 to become a dominant force in the European defense industry. DCN's subsidiary Armaris is the manufacturer of Scorpene-class diesel submarines sold to India, Pakistan and Malaysia among other countries. All of the contracts, according to the lawyers acting for Suaram, a Malaysian human rights NGO, are said to be suspect.

With Najib having moved on from the defense portfolio he held when the deal was put together in 2002 to become prime minister and head of the country's largest political party, the mess has the potential to become a major liability for the government and the United Malays National Organisation. Given the power of UMNO, it is unlikely the scandal would ever get a complete airing in a Malaysian court, which is presumably why Suaram reached out to French prosecutors.

"The filings are very recent and have so far prompted a preliminary police inquiry on the financial aspects of the deal," said Philippe Vasset, the editor in chief of a Paris-based military intelligence website. "There isn't a formal investigation yet. The investigation will most likely use documents seized at DCN in the course of another investigation, focusing on bribes paid by DCN in Pakistan."

Vasset said police have confined their inquiry to bribery allegations so far and have not looked into the 2006 murder of a Mongolian woman in Malaysia who was a translator on the deal for Najib and his friend, Abdul Razak Baginda, during a visit to Paris.

There have been numerous deaths involving DCN defense sales in Taiwan and Pakistan. Prosecutors are suspicious that 11 French submarine engineers who were murdered in a 2002 bomb blast in Karachi – first thought to have been the work of Al Qaeda – were actually killed in retaliation for the fact that the French had reneged on millions of dollars in kickbacks to Pakistani military officers.

The Malaysian allegations revolve around the payment of €114 million to a Malaysia-based company called Perimekar, for support services surrounding the sale of the submarines. Perimekar was wholly owned by another company, KS Ombak Laut Sdn Bhd, which in turn was controlled by Najib's best friend, Razak Baginda, whose wife Mazalinda, a lawyer and former magistrate, was the principal shareholder, according to the French lawyers.

"Over the pasti years, serious cases have been investigated in France by judges involving DCN," lawyer Renaud Semerdjian told Asia Sentinel in a telephone interview. "This is not the first case of this kind that is being investigated. There are others in Pakistan and there are some issues about India. To a certain extent, every time weapons of any kind have been provided, suspicion of violation of the law may be very high."

As defense minister from 2000 to 2008, Najib commissioned a huge military buildup to upgrade Malaysia's armed forces, including two submarines from Armaris and the lease of a third, a retired French Navy Agosta-class boat. There were also Sukhoi supersonic fighter jets from Russia and millions of dollars spent on coastal patrol boats. All have come under suspicion by opposition leaders in Malaysia's parliament but UMNO has stifled any investigation. Asked personally about the cases, Najib has responded angrily and refused to reply.

Despite efforts to bury it, the case achieved considerably notoriety after the murder of Altantuya Shaariibuu, a 28-year-old Mongolian translator and Razak Baginda's jilted lover, who participated in negotiations over the purchase of the submarines. By her own admission in a letter found after her death, she was attempting to blackmail Razak Baginda for US$500,000.

She was shot in October 2006 and her body was blown up with military explosives by two bodyguards attached to Najib's office after Razak Baginda, went to Najib's chief of staff, Musa Safri, for help in keeping her away from him. Not long after being acquitted in November 2008 under questionable circumstances of participating in her murder, Razak Baginda left the country for England. The bodyguards were convicted but no motive was ever established for their actions.

The submarine deal was never brought up in court during a months-long murder trial that was marked by prosecutors, defense attorneys and the judge working studiously to keep Najib's name out of the proceedings. A private detective hired by Razak Baginda to protect him from the furious Altantuya filed a statutory declaration after the trial indicating that Najib had actually been the victim's lover and had passed her on to Razak Baginda.

The detective, P. Balasubramaniam, said later that he was unceremoniously run out of Kuala Lumpur. He eventually emerged from hiding in India to say he had been offered RM5 million (US$1.57 million) by a businessman close to Najib's wife to shut up and get out of town. He also said he had met Nazim Razak, Najib's younger brother, and was told to recant his testimony.

In the current complaint in Paris, the issue revolves around what, if anything, Razak Baginda's Perimekar company did to deserve €114 million. Zainal Abidin, the deputy defense minister at the time of the sale, told parliament that Perimekar had received the amount – 11 percent of the sale price of the submarines – for "coordination and support services." The Paris filing alleges that there were neither support nor services.

Perimekar was registered in 2001, a few months before the signing of the contracts for the sale, the Paris complaint states. The company, it said flatly, "did not have the financial resources to complete the contract." A review of the accounts in 2001 and 2002, the complaint said, "makes it an obvious fact that this corporation had absolutely no capacity, or legal means or financial ability and/or expertise to support such a contract."

"None of the directors and shareholders of Perimekar have the slightest experience in the construction, maintenance or submarine logistics," the complaint adds. "Under the terms of the contract, €114 million were related to the different stages of construction of the submarines." The apparent consideration, supposedly on the part of Perimekar, "would be apa diem and Malaysian crews and accommodation costs during their training. There is therefore no link between billing steps and stages of completion of the consideration."

As Asia Sentinel reported on April 1, services for the subs are being performed by a well-connected firm called Boustead DCNS, a joint venture between BHIC Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd, a subsidiary of publicly-listed Boustead Heavy Industries Corp Bhd, and DCNS SA, a subsidiary of DCN. Boustead's Heavy Industries Division now includes Perimekar as an "associate of the Group. PSB is involved in the marketing, upgrading, maintenance and related services for the Malaysian maritime defence industry," according to Boustead's annual report.

Originally Boustead told the Malaysian Stock Exchange that the service contract was for RM600 million (US$184.1 million) for six years, or US$30.68 million annually. However, the contract later ballooned to RM270 million apa year. Boustead Holdings is partly owned by the government and has close connections with UMNO.

"There are good grounds to believe that was created with a single objective: arrange payment of the commission and allocate the amount between different beneficiaries including Malaysian public officials and or Malaysian or foreign intermediaries," the complaint states.




depa sendiri pun pertikai cara malaysia dalam pembelian kapal selam ni...hang apa tahu??buat raja lawak saja :lucu: :lucu: :lucu:

lepas tu berdegar2 cakap kapal selam ni paling canggih......lawak betul......nah lagi hang baca berapa kos kapal ni...melampau2 tinggi

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hah ni lagi polis perancis pun serbu syarikat scorpene ni

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Polis Perancis menyerbu pejabat pengeluar senjata DCNS dan kumpulan industri Thales berhubung siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam kepada Malaysia, demikian menurut sumber kehakiman semalam. Dokumen-dokumen dirampas dalam serbuan tersebut minggu lalu, tambah sumber itu.Thales enggan mengulas perkara itu, manakala DCNS memberitahu AFP bahawa ia "tidak mengesah atau menafikan maklumat tersebut."

"Satu siasatan sedang dijalankan dan kami tidak boleh memberi sebarang komen."

Mac lalu, Pejabat pendakwaraya Paris memulakan siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam tersebut pada tahun 2002 ekoran aduan yang dibuat oleh badan hak asasi manusia dari Malaysia, Suaram. Suaram mendakwa Armaris - anak syarikat Thales dan DCN - telah membayar komisyen sebanyak 114 juta euro kepada syarikat Malaysia Perimekar, yang dikaitkan dengan individu yang rapat dengan Perdana Menteri sekarang, Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak .

Najib merupakan merupakan menteri pertahanan pada tahun 2002 dan bertanggungjawab dalam rundingan kontrak tersebut. Sejak tahun 2000, bayaran komisyen bagi kontrak yang berkaitan dengan pemimpin asing merupakan satu rasuah di bawah undang-undang Perancis.

Pada 2002, The DCN menyertai Thales dan kumpulan pembinaan Navantia dalam kontrak untuk menjual tiga kapal selam kepada Malaysia pada sekitar harga satu bilion euro.

Lewat April lalu, seorang jurucakap Pejabat Perdana Menteri menegaskan bahawa "tiada kes" untuk dijawab. Menurutnya, urusniaga tersebut bebas daripada rasuah dan tidak benar Perimekar mendapat manfaat secara tidak betul daripada urusniaga tersebut.



pasal canggih tu pula mai banding tengok mana lagi canggih

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1342/kds3c.jpg

nah lagi scorpene boleh challenge yang ni juga ka :sopan: :sopan:

http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/SHIP_SSN_Virginia_Class_Cutaway_lg.jpg



WHAT???

THE STATEMENT OF WIKIPEDIA WRONGGG?? :sopan:

FUNNY..FUNNY...

ALL PEOPLE USE IT TO DO RESEARCH MAAAAA.... :sopan:

YOU SEE THIS ALSOO...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fopCXYHeSrM

IT 'SURVIVE' OR 'DIED'..???? :sopan:

YOU THINK ITS FUNNY OR NOT??? :sopan:

ANSWERR MY QUESTIONNN NOWWWWWWWWWWW......... :sopan:



wakakaka......nampak sangatlah bengap........wikipedia tu siapa2 boleh edit...dah banyak kes edit hang mahu jadi bahan rujukan ka??? :lucu: :lucu:

video tu pun hang nak rujuk ka??

mai compare dengan kapal selam ni apa beza scorpene dengan kapal selam kelas virginia dari segi equipment dan kos pembinaan




.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/135-bn-for-fy-2006-virginia-class-submarine-procurement-01821/

:sopan:

WHAT??

I DISCUSS ABOUT SCORPENEEE................ :sopan:

NOT VIRGINIA OR KURNIAAAA.............. :sopan:

LET SEE MALAYSIAN SCORPENE VIDEOO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzIdmLIAE4

DONT 'ALIH-ALIH CEGHITA NOOOO...............

:sopan:




kan dah cakap,dah bengap tu bengap juga....orang bagi perbandingan hang alih cerita hang tuding orang pula

:lucu: :lucu:

awat hang bagi video promosi saja????tak ada video lain ka :sopan: :sopan:



I TALKING ABOUT SCORPENEEE....

WHY YOU 'PUSING-PUSING' HAHHH??? :sopan:

LET TALK ABOUT SCORPENEEEEEEEEEE............... :sopan:




scorpene tak banyak negara nak pakai sebab tak diyakini dari segi prestasi.....sekarang syarikat tu pula kena serbu sebab ada salah laku

now i'm talking about scorpene in terms of cost,performance

awat kos beli lagi mahal sampai bilion2???negara lain murah saja????kalah pula nak buat kapal selam virginia US lagi tu :sopan: :sopan:

bengap oh bengap


:sopan:

WHAT???

DONT BE A LIARRRR......

I WANT YOU SHOW THE EVIDENCEEE NOWWW....


SHOW ME THAT COMPANY PROFILEEEE...........

WHAT THAT COMPANY NAMEE...??

WHAT THEIR BAD PERFOMANCE...??

WHERE THIS COMPANY LOCATED..??

WHAT THEIR QOUTATION THEIR GIVE TO MALAYSIA..??

WHAT THEIR QUOTAION THEIR GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIESS..??

WHY MALAYSIA AGREED WITH THEIR TERM AND CONDITION..??

WHY MALAYSIA NOT REJECT THAT COMPANY??

WHY?? WHY???

WHYYYYYY..................??????


YOU LISTTT ITT NOWWW............

LET ME SEE ITTT............ :sopan:

HURRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.......... :sopan:



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habis tu kau cakap tak boleh survive kalau tak repair..

kau bagi lah bukti juga,survive jadah apa?kekekekekeke...

kau ni memang pencacai umno terbaik lah..kaki pusing...wakakkakakkaka



YOU WANT TO SEE MY EVIDENCE??? :sopan:

LET SEE THIS....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpwvoWH6cQs

AND THISSS....

KAPAL SELAM SCORPENE

Kapal selam kelas Scorpèmana merupakan satu kelas kapal selam penyerang berkuasa diesel-elektrik . Ia memperlihatkan pendorongan diesel dan satu tambahan pendorongan bebas udara atau "air-independent propulsion" (AIP), yang telah dibangunkan bersama oleh syarikat Perancis DCNS, sebelum itu dikenali sebagai DCN, dan syarikat Sepanyol, Navantia (Dulu dikenali sebagai Bazan, kemudian Izar).

Tentera Laut Chile telah memesan dua Scorpèmana, yang akan menggantikan dua kapal selam kelas Oberon yang telah ditamatkan perkhidmatan oleh Tentera Laut Chile. Tentera Laut DiRaja Malaysia telah memesan dua (dinamakan juga kelas Perdana Menteri, dan Tentera Laut India telah memesan enam. Semuanya akan dibina di Mazagon Dock Limited, India dan tiga terakhir akan dilengkapi dengan modul AIP. Pada tahun 2008, Tentera Laut Brazil telah memesan empat buah Scorpèmana. Terdapat juga laporan yang mengatakan bahawa kapal selam kelima telah dipesan untuk dibangunkan sendiri dengan loji pendorongan nuklear. Walaupun ia mungkin satu jenis kapal selam kelas Barrakuda. Kapal selam Scorpèmana kelas O'Higgins dan Carrera milik Chile telah disempurnakan dalam tahun 2005 dan 2006 masing-masing, dan buat masa ini hanya dua beroperasi.

sumber:wikipedia...


WHERE YOUR EVIDENCE???

I WILL BE WAITINGGG..........

DONT BE A LIARRR..........

I WANT TO SEE TOOO...... :sopan:



bagi video saja ka???ambil sumber dari wiki saja hang pandai ek....wiki tu saya pun boleh edit ikut suka saya tapi hang ambil tu jadi bukti ka???lawak betul hang ni....hang tahu copy saja tapi tak tahu apa yang diperlukan dalam nak beli peralatan tempur

Sebelumnya, Indian Navy & Chilean Navy pun sudah beli kapal selam ini, dan ternyata kapal selamnya memang tidak berfungsi dengan baik. Indian Navy bahkan menuntut kompensasi kepada pabrik kapal selam ini di Perancis atas performance kapal selam ini yang tidak bagus....

plus hang tengok ni pula???adoi boleh pula rosak pula ya...satu tak boleh tenggelam satu lagi tak boleh timbul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC-zEmeUMXU&feature=related


hah negara pengeluar pun dah pertikai kapal selam ni apa hang nak cer


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Murky arms deal linked to international pattern of kickbacks

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.


Written by John Berthelsen, Asia Sentinel

A potentially explosive scandal in Malaysia over the billion-dollar purchase of French submarines, a deal engineered by then-Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak, has broken out of the domestic arena with the filing of a request to investigate bribery and kickbacks from the deal in a Paris court.

Although the case has been contained for eight years in the cozy confines of Malaysia's courts and parliament, which are dominated by the ruling National Coalition, French lawyers William Bourdon, Renaud Semerdjian and Joseph Breham put an end to that when they filed it with Parisian prosecutors on behalf of the Malaysian human rights organization Suaram, which supports good-government causes.

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.

For two years, Parisian prosecutors, led by investigating judges Francoise Besset Francoise Besset and Jean-Christophe Hullin, have been gingerly investigating allegations involving senior French political figures and the sales of submarines and other weaponry to governments all over the world. French news reports have said the prosecutors have backed away from some of the most serious charges out of concern for the political fallout.

The allegations relate to one of France's biggest defense conglomerates, the state-owned shipbuilder DCN, which merged with the French electronics company Thales in 2005 to become a dominant force in the European defense industry. DCN's subsidiary Armaris is the manufacturer of Scorpene-class diesel submarines sold to India, Pakistan and Malaysia among other countries. All of the contracts, according to the lawyers acting for Suaram, a Malaysian human rights NGO, are said to be suspect.

With Najib having moved on from the defense portfolio he held when the deal was put together in 2002 to become prime minister and head of the country's largest political party, the mess has the potential to become a major liability for the government and the United Malays National Organisation. Given the power of UMNO, it is unlikely the scandal would ever get a complete airing in a Malaysian court, which is presumably why Suaram reached out to French prosecutors.

"The filings are very recent and have so far prompted a preliminary police inquiry on the financial aspects of the deal," said Philippe Vasset, the editor in chief of a Paris-based military intelligence website. "There isn't a formal investigation yet. The investigation will most likely use documents seized at DCN in the course of another investigation, focusing on bribes paid by DCN in Pakistan."

Vasset said police have confined their inquiry to bribery allegations so far and have not looked into the 2006 murder of a Mongolian woman in Malaysia who was a translator on the deal for Najib and his friend, Abdul Razak Baginda, during a visit to Paris.

There have been numerous deaths involving DCN defense sales in Taiwan and Pakistan. Prosecutors are suspicious that 11 French submarine engineers who were murdered in a 2002 bomb blast in Karachi – first thought to have been the work of Al Qaeda – were actually killed in retaliation for the fact that the French had reneged on millions of dollars in kickbacks to Pakistani military officers.

The Malaysian allegations revolve around the payment of €114 million to a Malaysia-based company called Perimekar, for support services surrounding the sale of the submarines. Perimekar was wholly owned by another company, KS Ombak Laut Sdn Bhd, which in turn was controlled by Najib's best friend, Razak Baginda, whose wife Mazalinda, a lawyer and former magistrate, was the principal shareholder, according to the French lawyers.

"Over the pasti years, serious cases have been investigated in France by judges involving DCN," lawyer Renaud Semerdjian told Asia Sentinel in a telephone interview. "This is not the first case of this kind that is being investigated. There are others in Pakistan and there are some issues about India. To a certain extent, every time weapons of any kind have been provided, suspicion of violation of the law may be very high."

As defense minister from 2000 to 2008, Najib commissioned a huge military buildup to upgrade Malaysia's armed forces, including two submarines from Armaris and the lease of a third, a retired French Navy Agosta-class boat. There were also Sukhoi supersonic fighter jets from Russia and millions of dollars spent on coastal patrol boats. All have come under suspicion by opposition leaders in Malaysia's parliament but UMNO has stifled any investigation. Asked personally about the cases, Najib has responded angrily and refused to reply.

Despite efforts to bury it, the case achieved considerably notoriety after the murder of Altantuya Shaariibuu, a 28-year-old Mongolian translator and Razak Baginda's jilted lover, who participated in negotiations over the purchase of the submarines. By her own admission in a letter found after her death, she was attempting to blackmail Razak Baginda for US$500,000.

She was shot in October 2006 and her body was blown up with military explosives by two bodyguards attached to Najib's office after Razak Baginda, went to Najib's chief of staff, Musa Safri, for help in keeping her away from him. Not long after being acquitted in November 2008 under questionable circumstances of participating in her murder, Razak Baginda left the country for England. The bodyguards were convicted but no motive was ever established for their actions.

The submarine deal was never brought up in court during a months-long murder trial that was marked by prosecutors, defense attorneys and the judge working studiously to keep Najib's name out of the proceedings. A private detective hired by Razak Baginda to protect him from the furious Altantuya filed a statutory declaration after the trial indicating that Najib had actually been the victim's lover and had passed her on to Razak Baginda.

The detective, P. Balasubramaniam, said later that he was unceremoniously run out of Kuala Lumpur. He eventually emerged from hiding in India to say he had been offered RM5 million (US$1.57 million) by a businessman close to Najib's wife to shut up and get out of town. He also said he had met Nazim Razak, Najib's younger brother, and was told to recant his testimony.

In the current complaint in Paris, the issue revolves around what, if anything, Razak Baginda's Perimekar company did to deserve €114 million. Zainal Abidin, the deputy defense minister at the time of the sale, told parliament that Perimekar had received the amount – 11 percent of the sale price of the submarines – for "coordination and support services." The Paris filing alleges that there were neither support nor services.

Perimekar was registered in 2001, a few months before the signing of the contracts for the sale, the Paris complaint states. The company, it said flatly, "did not have the financial resources to complete the contract." A review of the accounts in 2001 and 2002, the complaint said, "makes it an obvious fact that this corporation had absolutely no capacity, or legal means or financial ability and/or expertise to support such a contract."

"None of the directors and shareholders of Perimekar have the slightest experience in the construction, maintenance or submarine logistics," the complaint adds. "Under the terms of the contract, €114 million were related to the different stages of construction of the submarines." The apparent consideration, supposedly on the part of Perimekar, "would be apa diem and Malaysian crews and accommodation costs during their training. There is therefore no link between billing steps and stages of completion of the consideration."

As Asia Sentinel reported on April 1, services for the subs are being performed by a well-connected firm called Boustead DCNS, a joint venture between BHIC Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd, a subsidiary of publicly-listed Boustead Heavy Industries Corp Bhd, and DCNS SA, a subsidiary of DCN. Boustead's Heavy Industries Division now includes Perimekar as an "associate of the Group. PSB is involved in the marketing, upgrading, maintenance and related services for the Malaysian maritime defence industry," according to Boustead's annual report.

Originally Boustead told the Malaysian Stock Exchange that the service contract was for RM600 million (US$184.1 million) for six years, or US$30.68 million annually. However, the contract later ballooned to RM270 million apa year. Boustead Holdings is partly owned by the government and has close connections with UMNO.

"There are good grounds to believe that was created with a single objective: arrange payment of the commission and allocate the amount between different beneficiaries including Malaysian public officials and or Malaysian or foreign intermediaries," the complaint states.




depa sendiri pun pertikai cara malaysia dalam pembelian kapal selam ni...hang apa tahu??buat raja lawak saja :lucu: :lucu: :lucu:

lepas tu berdegar2 cakap kapal selam ni paling canggih......lawak betul......nah lagi hang baca berapa kos kapal ni...melampau2 tinggi

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hah ni lagi polis perancis pun serbu syarikat scorpene ni

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Polis Perancis menyerbu pejabat pengeluar senjata DCNS dan kumpulan industri Thales berhubung siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam kepada Malaysia, demikian menurut sumber kehakiman semalam. Dokumen-dokumen dirampas dalam serbuan tersebut minggu lalu, tambah sumber itu.Thales enggan mengulas perkara itu, manakala DCNS memberitahu AFP bahawa ia "tidak mengesah atau menafikan maklumat tersebut."

"Satu siasatan sedang dijalankan dan kami tidak boleh memberi sebarang komen."

Mac lalu, Pejabat pendakwaraya Paris memulakan siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam tersebut pada tahun 2002 ekoran aduan yang dibuat oleh badan hak asasi manusia dari Malaysia, Suaram. Suaram mendakwa Armaris - anak syarikat Thales dan DCN - telah membayar komisyen sebanyak 114 juta euro kepada syarikat Malaysia Perimekar, yang dikaitkan dengan individu yang rapat dengan Perdana Menteri sekarang, Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak .

Najib merupakan merupakan menteri pertahanan pada tahun 2002 dan bertanggungjawab dalam rundingan kontrak tersebut. Sejak tahun 2000, bayaran komisyen bagi kontrak yang berkaitan dengan pemimpin asing merupakan satu rasuah di bawah undang-undang Perancis.

Pada 2002, The DCN menyertai Thales dan kumpulan pembinaan Navantia dalam kontrak untuk menjual tiga kapal selam kepada Malaysia pada sekitar harga satu bilion euro.

Lewat April lalu, seorang jurucakap Pejabat Perdana Menteri menegaskan bahawa "tiada kes" untuk dijawab. Menurutnya, urusniaga tersebut bebas daripada rasuah dan tidak benar Perimekar mendapat manfaat secara tidak betul daripada urusniaga tersebut.



pasal canggih tu pula mai banding tengok mana lagi canggih

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1342/kds3c.jpg

nah lagi scorpene boleh challenge yang ni juga ka :sopan: :sopan:

http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/SHIP_SSN_Virginia_Class_Cutaway_lg.jpg



WHAT???

THE STATEMENT OF WIKIPEDIA WRONGGG?? :sopan:

FUNNY..FUNNY...

ALL PEOPLE USE IT TO DO RESEARCH MAAAAA.... :sopan:

YOU SEE THIS ALSOO...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fopCXYHeSrM

IT 'SURVIVE' OR 'DIED'..???? :sopan:

YOU THINK ITS FUNNY OR NOT??? :sopan:

ANSWERR MY QUESTIONNN NOWWWWWWWWWWW......... :sopan:



wakakaka......nampak sangatlah bengap........wikipedia tu siapa2 boleh edit...dah banyak kes edit hang mahu jadi bahan rujukan ka??? :lucu: :lucu:

video tu pun hang nak rujuk ka??

mai compare dengan kapal selam ni apa beza scorpene dengan kapal selam kelas virginia dari segi equipment dan kos pembinaan




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http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/135-bn-for-fy-2006-virginia-class-submarine-procurement-01821/

:sopan:

WHAT??

I DISCUSS ABOUT SCORPENEEE................ :sopan:

NOT VIRGINIA OR KURNIAAAA.............. :sopan:

LET SEE MALAYSIAN SCORPENE VIDEOO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzIdmLIAE4

DONT 'ALIH-ALIH CEGHITA NOOOO...............

:sopan:




kan dah cakap,dah bengap tu bengap juga....orang bagi perbandingan hang alih cerita hang tuding orang pula

:lucu: :lucu:

awat hang bagi video promosi saja????tak ada video lain ka :sopan: :sopan:



I TALKING ABOUT SCORPENEEE....

WHY YOU 'PUSING-PUSING' HAHHH??? :sopan:

LET TALK ABOUT SCORPENEEEEEEEEEE............... :sopan:




scorpene tak banyak negara nak pakai sebab tak diyakini dari segi prestasi.....sekarang syarikat tu pula kena serbu sebab ada salah laku

now i'm talking about scorpene in terms of cost,performance

awat kos beli lagi mahal sampai bilion2???negara lain murah saja????kalah pula nak buat kapal selam virginia US lagi tu :sopan: :sopan:

bengap oh bengap


:sopan:

WHAT???

DONT BE A LIARRRR......

I WANT YOU SHOW THE EVIDENCEEE NOWWW....


SHOW ME THAT COMPANY PROFILEEEE...........

WHAT THAT COMPANY NAMEE...??

WHAT THEIR BAD PERFOMANCE...??

WHERE THIS COMPANY LOCATED..??

WHAT THEIR QOUTATION THEIR GIVE TO MALAYSIA..??

WHAT THEIR QUOTAION THEIR GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIESS..??

WHY MALAYSIA AGREED WITH THEIR TERM AND CONDITION..??

WHY MALAYSIA NOT REJECT THAT COMPANY??

WHY?? WHY???

WHYYYYYY..................??????


YOU LISTTT ITT NOWWW............

LET ME SEE ITTT............ :sopan:

HURRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.......... :sopan:



dahlah bengap,tak ikut perkembangan pula tu......

ni pasukan pendakwa perancis dah datang KL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SBzfn0CU-c&feature=player_embedded

ni pula dah siap kena probe sebab langgar anti laundering act...awat hang bodoh sangat ya???tun ajaq hang ka??? :lol: :lol:

http://www.mpkapar.com/manikavasagam/posts/perimekar-may-have-breached-anti-money-laundering-act/

ni syarikat yang hang nak tu

http://www.onesource.com/free/Perimekar-Sdn-Bhd/Company/Profile/105488480


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habis tu kau cakap tak boleh survive kalau tak repair..

kau bagi lah bukti juga,survive jadah apa?kekekekekeke...

kau ni memang pencacai umno terbaik lah..kaki pusing...wakakkakakkaka


YOU WANT TO SEE MY EVIDENCE??? :sopan:

LET SEE THIS....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpwvoWH6cQs

AND THISSS....

KAPAL SELAM SCORPENE

Kapal selam kelas Scorpèmana merupakan satu kelas kapal selam penyerang berkuasa diesel-elektrik . Ia memperlihatkan pendorongan diesel dan satu tambahan pendorongan bebas udara atau "air-independent propulsion" (AIP), yang telah dibangunkan bersama oleh syarikat Perancis DCNS, sebelum itu dikenali sebagai DCN, dan syarikat Sepanyol, Navantia (Dulu dikenali sebagai Bazan, kemudian Izar).

Tentera Laut Chile telah memesan dua Scorpèmana, yang akan menggantikan dua kapal selam kelas Oberon yang telah ditamatkan perkhidmatan oleh Tentera Laut Chile. Tentera Laut DiRaja Malaysia telah memesan dua (dinamakan juga kelas Perdana Menteri, dan Tentera Laut India telah memesan enam. Semuanya akan dibina di Mazagon Dock Limited, India dan tiga terakhir akan dilengkapi dengan modul AIP. Pada tahun 2008, Tentera Laut Brazil telah memesan empat buah Scorpèmana. Terdapat juga laporan yang mengatakan bahawa kapal selam kelima telah dipesan untuk dibangunkan sendiri dengan loji pendorongan nuklear. Walaupun ia mungkin satu jenis kapal selam kelas Barrakuda. Kapal selam Scorpèmana kelas O'Higgins dan Carrera milik Chile telah disempurnakan dalam tahun 2005 dan 2006 masing-masing, dan buat masa ini hanya dua beroperasi.

sumber:wikipedia...


WHERE YOUR EVIDENCE???

I WILL BE WAITINGGG..........

DONT BE A LIARRR..........

I WANT TO SEE TOOO...... :sopan:



bagi video saja ka???ambil sumber dari wiki saja hang pandai ek....wiki tu saya pun boleh edit ikut suka saya tapi hang ambil tu jadi bukti ka???lawak betul hang ni....hang tahu copy saja tapi tak tahu apa yang diperlukan dalam nak beli peralatan tempur

Sebelumnya, Indian Navy & Chilean Navy pun sudah beli kapal selam ini, dan ternyata kapal selamnya memang tidak berfungsi dengan baik. Indian Navy bahkan menuntut kompensasi kepada pabrik kapal selam ini di Perancis atas performance kapal selam ini yang tidak bagus....

plus hang tengok ni pula???adoi boleh pula rosak pula ya...satu tak boleh tenggelam satu lagi tak boleh timbul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC-zEmeUMXU&feature=related


hah negara pengeluar pun dah pertikai kapal selam ni apa hang nak cer


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Murky arms deal linked to international pattern of kickbacks

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.


Written by John Berthelsen, Asia Sentinel

A potentially explosive scandal in Malaysia over the billion-dollar purchase of French submarines, a deal engineered by then-Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak, has broken out of the domestic arena with the filing of a request to investigate bribery and kickbacks from the deal in a Paris court.

Although the case has been contained for eight years in the cozy confines of Malaysia's courts and parliament, which are dominated by the ruling National Coalition, French lawyers William Bourdon, Renaud Semerdjian and Joseph Breham put an end to that when they filed it with Parisian prosecutors on behalf of the Malaysian human rights organization Suaram, which supports good-government causes.

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.

For two years, Parisian prosecutors, led by investigating judges Francoise Besset Francoise Besset and Jean-Christophe Hullin, have been gingerly investigating allegations involving senior French political figures and the sales of submarines and other weaponry to governments all over the world. French news reports have said the prosecutors have backed away from some of the most serious charges out of concern for the political fallout.

The allegations relate to one of France's biggest defense conglomerates, the state-owned shipbuilder DCN, which merged with the French electronics company Thales in 2005 to become a dominant force in the European defense industry. DCN's subsidiary Armaris is the manufacturer of Scorpene-class diesel submarines sold to India, Pakistan and Malaysia among other countries. All of the contracts, according to the lawyers acting for Suaram, a Malaysian human rights NGO, are said to be suspect.

With Najib having moved on from the defense portfolio he held when the deal was put together in 2002 to become prime minister and head of the country's largest political party, the mess has the potential to become a major liability for the government and the United Malays National Organisation. Given the power of UMNO, it is unlikely the scandal would ever get a complete airing in a Malaysian court, which is presumably why Suaram reached out to French prosecutors.

"The filings are very recent and have so far prompted a preliminary police inquiry on the financial aspects of the deal," said Philippe Vasset, the editor in chief of a Paris-based military intelligence website. "There isn't a formal investigation yet. The investigation will most likely use documents seized at DCN in the course of another investigation, focusing on bribes paid by DCN in Pakistan."

Vasset said police have confined their inquiry to bribery allegations so far and have not looked into the 2006 murder of a Mongolian woman in Malaysia who was a translator on the deal for Najib and his friend, Abdul Razak Baginda, during a visit to Paris.

There have been numerous deaths involving DCN defense sales in Taiwan and Pakistan. Prosecutors are suspicious that 11 French submarine engineers who were murdered in a 2002 bomb blast in Karachi – first thought to have been the work of Al Qaeda – were actually killed in retaliation for the fact that the French had reneged on millions of dollars in kickbacks to Pakistani military officers.

The Malaysian allegations revolve around the payment of €114 million to a Malaysia-based company called Perimekar, for support services surrounding the sale of the submarines. Perimekar was wholly owned by another company, KS Ombak Laut Sdn Bhd, which in turn was controlled by Najib's best friend, Razak Baginda, whose wife Mazalinda, a lawyer and former magistrate, was the principal shareholder, according to the French lawyers.

"Over the pasti years, serious cases have been investigated in France by judges involving DCN," lawyer Renaud Semerdjian told Asia Sentinel in a telephone interview. "This is not the first case of this kind that is being investigated. There are others in Pakistan and there are some issues about India. To a certain extent, every time weapons of any kind have been provided, suspicion of violation of the law may be very high."

As defense minister from 2000 to 2008, Najib commissioned a huge military buildup to upgrade Malaysia's armed forces, including two submarines from Armaris and the lease of a third, a retired French Navy Agosta-class boat. There were also Sukhoi supersonic fighter jets from Russia and millions of dollars spent on coastal patrol boats. All have come under suspicion by opposition leaders in Malaysia's parliament but UMNO has stifled any investigation. Asked personally about the cases, Najib has responded angrily and refused to reply.

Despite efforts to bury it, the case achieved considerably notoriety after the murder of Altantuya Shaariibuu, a 28-year-old Mongolian translator and Razak Baginda's jilted lover, who participated in negotiations over the purchase of the submarines. By her own admission in a letter found after her death, she was attempting to blackmail Razak Baginda for US$500,000.

She was shot in October 2006 and her body was blown up with military explosives by two bodyguards attached to Najib's office after Razak Baginda, went to Najib's chief of staff, Musa Safri, for help in keeping her away from him. Not long after being acquitted in November 2008 under questionable circumstances of participating in her murder, Razak Baginda left the country for England. The bodyguards were convicted but no motive was ever established for their actions.

The submarine deal was never brought up in court during a months-long murder trial that was marked by prosecutors, defense attorneys and the judge working studiously to keep Najib's name out of the proceedings. A private detective hired by Razak Baginda to protect him from the furious Altantuya filed a statutory declaration after the trial indicating that Najib had actually been the victim's lover and had passed her on to Razak Baginda.

The detective, P. Balasubramaniam, said later that he was unceremoniously run out of Kuala Lumpur. He eventually emerged from hiding in India to say he had been offered RM5 million (US$1.57 million) by a businessman close to Najib's wife to shut up and get out of town. He also said he had met Nazim Razak, Najib's younger brother, and was told to recant his testimony.

In the current complaint in Paris, the issue revolves around what, if anything, Razak Baginda's Perimekar company did to deserve €114 million. Zainal Abidin, the deputy defense minister at the time of the sale, told parliament that Perimekar had received the amount – 11 percent of the sale price of the submarines – for "coordination and support services." The Paris filing alleges that there were neither support nor services.

Perimekar was registered in 2001, a few months before the signing of the contracts for the sale, the Paris complaint states. The company, it said flatly, "did not have the financial resources to complete the contract." A review of the accounts in 2001 and 2002, the complaint said, "makes it an obvious fact that this corporation had absolutely no capacity, or legal means or financial ability and/or expertise to support such a contract."

"None of the directors and shareholders of Perimekar have the slightest experience in the construction, maintenance or submarine logistics," the complaint adds. "Under the terms of the contract, €114 million were related to the different stages of construction of the submarines." The apparent consideration, supposedly on the part of Perimekar, "would be apa diem and Malaysian crews and accommodation costs during their training. There is therefore no link between billing steps and stages of completion of the consideration."

As Asia Sentinel reported on April 1, services for the subs are being performed by a well-connected firm called Boustead DCNS, a joint venture between BHIC Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd, a subsidiary of publicly-listed Boustead Heavy Industries Corp Bhd, and DCNS SA, a subsidiary of DCN. Boustead's Heavy Industries Division now includes Perimekar as an "associate of the Group. PSB is involved in the marketing, upgrading, maintenance and related services for the Malaysian maritime defence industry," according to Boustead's annual report.

Originally Boustead told the Malaysian Stock Exchange that the service contract was for RM600 million (US$184.1 million) for six years, or US$30.68 million annually. However, the contract later ballooned to RM270 million apa year. Boustead Holdings is partly owned by the government and has close connections with UMNO.

"There are good grounds to believe that was created with a single objective: arrange payment of the commission and allocate the amount between different beneficiaries including Malaysian public officials and or Malaysian or foreign intermediaries," the complaint states.




depa sendiri pun pertikai cara malaysia dalam pembelian kapal selam ni...hang apa tahu??buat raja lawak saja :lucu: :lucu: :lucu:

lepas tu berdegar2 cakap kapal selam ni paling canggih......lawak betul......nah lagi hang baca berapa kos kapal ni...melampau2 tinggi

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hah ni lagi polis perancis pun serbu syarikat scorpene ni

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Polis Perancis menyerbu pejabat pengeluar senjata DCNS dan kumpulan industri Thales berhubung siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam kepada Malaysia, demikian menurut sumber kehakiman semalam. Dokumen-dokumen dirampas dalam serbuan tersebut minggu lalu, tambah sumber itu.Thales enggan mengulas perkara itu, manakala DCNS memberitahu AFP bahawa ia "tidak mengesah atau menafikan maklumat tersebut."

"Satu siasatan sedang dijalankan dan kami tidak boleh memberi sebarang komen."

Mac lalu, Pejabat pendakwaraya Paris memulakan siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam tersebut pada tahun 2002 ekoran aduan yang dibuat oleh badan hak asasi manusia dari Malaysia, Suaram. Suaram mendakwa Armaris - anak syarikat Thales dan DCN - telah membayar komisyen sebanyak 114 juta euro kepada syarikat Malaysia Perimekar, yang dikaitkan dengan individu yang rapat dengan Perdana Menteri sekarang, Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak .

Najib merupakan merupakan menteri pertahanan pada tahun 2002 dan bertanggungjawab dalam rundingan kontrak tersebut. Sejak tahun 2000, bayaran komisyen bagi kontrak yang berkaitan dengan pemimpin asing merupakan satu rasuah di bawah undang-undang Perancis.

Pada 2002, The DCN menyertai Thales dan kumpulan pembinaan Navantia dalam kontrak untuk menjual tiga kapal selam kepada Malaysia pada sekitar harga satu bilion euro.

Lewat April lalu, seorang jurucakap Pejabat Perdana Menteri menegaskan bahawa "tiada kes" untuk dijawab. Menurutnya, urusniaga tersebut bebas daripada rasuah dan tidak benar Perimekar mendapat manfaat secara tidak betul daripada urusniaga tersebut.



pasal canggih tu pula mai banding tengok mana lagi canggih

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1342/kds3c.jpg

nah lagi scorpene boleh challenge yang ni juga ka :sopan: :sopan:

http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/SHIP_SSN_Virginia_Class_Cutaway_lg.jpg



WHAT???

THE STATEMENT OF WIKIPEDIA WRONGGG?? :sopan:

FUNNY..FUNNY...

ALL PEOPLE USE IT TO DO RESEARCH MAAAAA.... :sopan:

YOU SEE THIS ALSOO...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fopCXYHeSrM

IT 'SURVIVE' OR 'DIED'..???? :sopan:

YOU THINK ITS FUNNY OR NOT??? :sopan:

ANSWERR MY QUESTIONNN NOWWWWWWWWWWW......... :sopan:



wakakaka......nampak sangatlah bengap........wikipedia tu siapa2 boleh edit...dah banyak kes edit hang mahu jadi bahan rujukan ka??? :lucu: :lucu:

video tu pun hang nak rujuk ka??

mai compare dengan kapal selam ni apa beza scorpene dengan kapal selam kelas virginia dari segi equipment dan kos pembinaan




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http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/135-bn-for-fy-2006-virginia-class-submarine-procurement-01821/

:sopan:

WHAT??

I DISCUSS ABOUT SCORPENEEE................ :sopan:

NOT VIRGINIA OR KURNIAAAA.............. :sopan:

LET SEE MALAYSIAN SCORPENE VIDEOO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzIdmLIAE4

DONT 'ALIH-ALIH CEGHITA NOOOO...............

:sopan:




kan dah cakap,dah bengap tu bengap juga....orang bagi perbandingan hang alih cerita hang tuding orang pula

:lucu: :lucu:

awat hang bagi video promosi saja????tak ada video lain ka :sopan: :sopan:



I TALKING ABOUT SCORPENEEE....

WHY YOU 'PUSING-PUSING' HAHHH??? :sopan:

LET TALK ABOUT SCORPENEEEEEEEEEE............... :sopan:




scorpene tak banyak negara nak pakai sebab tak diyakini dari segi prestasi.....sekarang syarikat tu pula kena serbu sebab ada salah laku

now i'm talking about scorpene in terms of cost,performance

awat kos beli lagi mahal sampai bilion2???negara lain murah saja????kalah pula nak buat kapal selam virginia US lagi tu :sopan: :sopan:

bengap oh bengap


:sopan:

WHAT???

DONT BE A LIARRRR......

I WANT YOU SHOW THE EVIDENCEEE NOWWW....


SHOW ME THAT COMPANY PROFILEEEE...........

WHAT THAT COMPANY NAMEE...??

WHAT THEIR BAD PERFOMANCE...??

WHERE THIS COMPANY LOCATED..??

WHAT THEIR QOUTATION THEIR GIVE TO MALAYSIA..??

WHAT THEIR QUOTAION THEIR GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIESS..??

WHY MALAYSIA AGREED WITH THEIR TERM AND CONDITION..??

WHY MALAYSIA NOT REJECT THAT COMPANY??

WHY?? WHY???

WHYYYYYY..................??????


YOU LISTTT ITT NOWWW............

LET ME SEE ITTT............ :sopan:

HURRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.......... :sopan:



dahlah bengap,tak ikut perkembangan pula tu......

ni pasukan pendakwa perancis dah datang KL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SBzfn0CU-c&feature=player_embedded

ni pula dah siap kena probe sebab langgar anti laundering act...awat hang bodoh sangat ya???tun ajaq hang ka??? :lol: :lol:

http://www.mpkapar.com/manikavasagam/posts/perimekar-may-have-breached-anti-money-laundering-act/

ni syarikat yang hang nak tu

http://www.onesource.com/free/Perimekar-Sdn-Bhd/Company/Profile/105488480

:sopan:

WHAT??

YOU SEE THISS...

THIS IS THE TRUE ONEEE...

http://wiramalaysia2.blogspot.com/2008/05/penjelasan-isu-scorpene-dan-sukhoi.html

DONT 'PUSING-PUSING NOOO........... :sopan:

DID YOU SEE??

FUNNY OR NOT???

:sopan:



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habis tu kau cakap tak boleh survive kalau tak repair..

kau bagi lah bukti juga,survive jadah apa?kekekekekeke...

kau ni memang pencacai umno terbaik lah..kaki pusing...wakakkakakkaka


YOU WANT TO SEE MY EVIDENCE??? :sopan:

LET SEE THIS....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpwvoWH6cQs

AND THISSS....

KAPAL SELAM SCORPENE

Kapal selam kelas Scorpèmana merupakan satu kelas kapal selam penyerang berkuasa diesel-elektrik . Ia memperlihatkan pendorongan diesel dan satu tambahan pendorongan bebas udara atau "air-independent propulsion" (AIP), yang telah dibangunkan bersama oleh syarikat Perancis DCNS, sebelum itu dikenali sebagai DCN, dan syarikat Sepanyol, Navantia (Dulu dikenali sebagai Bazan, kemudian Izar).

Tentera Laut Chile telah memesan dua Scorpèmana, yang akan menggantikan dua kapal selam kelas Oberon yang telah ditamatkan perkhidmatan oleh Tentera Laut Chile. Tentera Laut DiRaja Malaysia telah memesan dua (dinamakan juga kelas Perdana Menteri, dan Tentera Laut India telah memesan enam. Semuanya akan dibina di Mazagon Dock Limited, India dan tiga terakhir akan dilengkapi dengan modul AIP. Pada tahun 2008, Tentera Laut Brazil telah memesan empat buah Scorpèmana. Terdapat juga laporan yang mengatakan bahawa kapal selam kelima telah dipesan untuk dibangunkan sendiri dengan loji pendorongan nuklear. Walaupun ia mungkin satu jenis kapal selam kelas Barrakuda. Kapal selam Scorpèmana kelas O'Higgins dan Carrera milik Chile telah disempurnakan dalam tahun 2005 dan 2006 masing-masing, dan buat masa ini hanya dua beroperasi.

sumber:wikipedia...


WHERE YOUR EVIDENCE???

I WILL BE WAITINGGG..........

DONT BE A LIARRR..........

I WANT TO SEE TOOO...... :sopan:



bagi video saja ka???ambil sumber dari wiki saja hang pandai ek....wiki tu saya pun boleh edit ikut suka saya tapi hang ambil tu jadi bukti ka???lawak betul hang ni....hang tahu copy saja tapi tak tahu apa yang diperlukan dalam nak beli peralatan tempur

Sebelumnya, Indian Navy & Chilean Navy pun sudah beli kapal selam ini, dan ternyata kapal selamnya memang tidak berfungsi dengan baik. Indian Navy bahkan menuntut kompensasi kepada pabrik kapal selam ini di Perancis atas performance kapal selam ini yang tidak bagus....

plus hang tengok ni pula???adoi boleh pula rosak pula ya...satu tak boleh tenggelam satu lagi tak boleh timbul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC-zEmeUMXU&feature=related


hah negara pengeluar pun dah pertikai kapal selam ni apa hang nak cer


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Murky arms deal linked to international pattern of kickbacks

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.


Written by John Berthelsen, Asia Sentinel

A potentially explosive scandal in Malaysia over the billion-dollar purchase of French submarines, a deal engineered by then-Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak, has broken out of the domestic arena with the filing of a request to investigate bribery and kickbacks from the deal in a Paris court.

Although the case has been contained for eight years in the cozy confines of Malaysia's courts and parliament, which are dominated by the ruling National Coalition, French lawyers William Bourdon, Renaud Semerdjian and Joseph Breham put an end to that when they filed it with Parisian prosecutors on behalf of the Malaysian human rights organization Suaram, which supports good-government causes.

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.

For two years, Parisian prosecutors, led by investigating judges Francoise Besset Francoise Besset and Jean-Christophe Hullin, have been gingerly investigating allegations involving senior French political figures and the sales of submarines and other weaponry to governments all over the world. French news reports have said the prosecutors have backed away from some of the most serious charges out of concern for the political fallout.

The allegations relate to one of France's biggest defense conglomerates, the state-owned shipbuilder DCN, which merged with the French electronics company Thales in 2005 to become a dominant force in the European defense industry. DCN's subsidiary Armaris is the manufacturer of Scorpene-class diesel submarines sold to India, Pakistan and Malaysia among other countries. All of the contracts, according to the lawyers acting for Suaram, a Malaysian human rights NGO, are said to be suspect.

With Najib having moved on from the defense portfolio he held when the deal was put together in 2002 to become prime minister and head of the country's largest political party, the mess has the potential to become a major liability for the government and the United Malays National Organisation. Given the power of UMNO, it is unlikely the scandal would ever get a complete airing in a Malaysian court, which is presumably why Suaram reached out to French prosecutors.

"The filings are very recent and have so far prompted a preliminary police inquiry on the financial aspects of the deal," said Philippe Vasset, the editor in chief of a Paris-based military intelligence website. "There isn't a formal investigation yet. The investigation will most likely use documents seized at DCN in the course of another investigation, focusing on bribes paid by DCN in Pakistan."

Vasset said police have confined their inquiry to bribery allegations so far and have not looked into the 2006 murder of a Mongolian woman in Malaysia who was a translator on the deal for Najib and his friend, Abdul Razak Baginda, during a visit to Paris.

There have been numerous deaths involving DCN defense sales in Taiwan and Pakistan. Prosecutors are suspicious that 11 French submarine engineers who were murdered in a 2002 bomb blast in Karachi – first thought to have been the work of Al Qaeda – were actually killed in retaliation for the fact that the French had reneged on millions of dollars in kickbacks to Pakistani military officers.

The Malaysian allegations revolve around the payment of €114 million to a Malaysia-based company called Perimekar, for support services surrounding the sale of the submarines. Perimekar was wholly owned by another company, KS Ombak Laut Sdn Bhd, which in turn was controlled by Najib's best friend, Razak Baginda, whose wife Mazalinda, a lawyer and former magistrate, was the principal shareholder, according to the French lawyers.

"Over the pasti years, serious cases have been investigated in France by judges involving DCN," lawyer Renaud Semerdjian told Asia Sentinel in a telephone interview. "This is not the first case of this kind that is being investigated. There are others in Pakistan and there are some issues about India. To a certain extent, every time weapons of any kind have been provided, suspicion of violation of the law may be very high."

As defense minister from 2000 to 2008, Najib commissioned a huge military buildup to upgrade Malaysia's armed forces, including two submarines from Armaris and the lease of a third, a retired French Navy Agosta-class boat. There were also Sukhoi supersonic fighter jets from Russia and millions of dollars spent on coastal patrol boats. All have come under suspicion by opposition leaders in Malaysia's parliament but UMNO has stifled any investigation. Asked personally about the cases, Najib has responded angrily and refused to reply.

Despite efforts to bury it, the case achieved considerably notoriety after the murder of Altantuya Shaariibuu, a 28-year-old Mongolian translator and Razak Baginda's jilted lover, who participated in negotiations over the purchase of the submarines. By her own admission in a letter found after her death, she was attempting to blackmail Razak Baginda for US$500,000.

She was shot in October 2006 and her body was blown up with military explosives by two bodyguards attached to Najib's office after Razak Baginda, went to Najib's chief of staff, Musa Safri, for help in keeping her away from him. Not long after being acquitted in November 2008 under questionable circumstances of participating in her murder, Razak Baginda left the country for England. The bodyguards were convicted but no motive was ever established for their actions.

The submarine deal was never brought up in court during a months-long murder trial that was marked by prosecutors, defense attorneys and the judge working studiously to keep Najib's name out of the proceedings. A private detective hired by Razak Baginda to protect him from the furious Altantuya filed a statutory declaration after the trial indicating that Najib had actually been the victim's lover and had passed her on to Razak Baginda.

The detective, P. Balasubramaniam, said later that he was unceremoniously run out of Kuala Lumpur. He eventually emerged from hiding in India to say he had been offered RM5 million (US$1.57 million) by a businessman close to Najib's wife to shut up and get out of town. He also said he had met Nazim Razak, Najib's younger brother, and was told to recant his testimony.

In the current complaint in Paris, the issue revolves around what, if anything, Razak Baginda's Perimekar company did to deserve €114 million. Zainal Abidin, the deputy defense minister at the time of the sale, told parliament that Perimekar had received the amount – 11 percent of the sale price of the submarines – for "coordination and support services." The Paris filing alleges that there were neither support nor services.

Perimekar was registered in 2001, a few months before the signing of the contracts for the sale, the Paris complaint states. The company, it said flatly, "did not have the financial resources to complete the contract." A review of the accounts in 2001 and 2002, the complaint said, "makes it an obvious fact that this corporation had absolutely no capacity, or legal means or financial ability and/or expertise to support such a contract."

"None of the directors and shareholders of Perimekar have the slightest experience in the construction, maintenance or submarine logistics," the complaint adds. "Under the terms of the contract, €114 million were related to the different stages of construction of the submarines." The apparent consideration, supposedly on the part of Perimekar, "would be apa diem and Malaysian crews and accommodation costs during their training. There is therefore no link between billing steps and stages of completion of the consideration."

As Asia Sentinel reported on April 1, services for the subs are being performed by a well-connected firm called Boustead DCNS, a joint venture between BHIC Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd, a subsidiary of publicly-listed Boustead Heavy Industries Corp Bhd, and DCNS SA, a subsidiary of DCN. Boustead's Heavy Industries Division now includes Perimekar as an "associate of the Group. PSB is involved in the marketing, upgrading, maintenance and related services for the Malaysian maritime defence industry," according to Boustead's annual report.

Originally Boustead told the Malaysian Stock Exchange that the service contract was for RM600 million (US$184.1 million) for six years, or US$30.68 million annually. However, the contract later ballooned to RM270 million apa year. Boustead Holdings is partly owned by the government and has close connections with UMNO.

"There are good grounds to believe that was created with a single objective: arrange payment of the commission and allocate the amount between different beneficiaries including Malaysian public officials and or Malaysian or foreign intermediaries," the complaint states.




depa sendiri pun pertikai cara malaysia dalam pembelian kapal selam ni...hang apa tahu??buat raja lawak saja :lucu: :lucu: :lucu:

lepas tu berdegar2 cakap kapal selam ni paling canggih......lawak betul......nah lagi hang baca berapa kos kapal ni...melampau2 tinggi

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hah ni lagi polis perancis pun serbu syarikat scorpene ni

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Polis Perancis menyerbu pejabat pengeluar senjata DCNS dan kumpulan industri Thales berhubung siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam kepada Malaysia, demikian menurut sumber kehakiman semalam. Dokumen-dokumen dirampas dalam serbuan tersebut minggu lalu, tambah sumber itu.Thales enggan mengulas perkara itu, manakala DCNS memberitahu AFP bahawa ia "tidak mengesah atau menafikan maklumat tersebut."

"Satu siasatan sedang dijalankan dan kami tidak boleh memberi sebarang komen."

Mac lalu, Pejabat pendakwaraya Paris memulakan siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam tersebut pada tahun 2002 ekoran aduan yang dibuat oleh badan hak asasi manusia dari Malaysia, Suaram. Suaram mendakwa Armaris - anak syarikat Thales dan DCN - telah membayar komisyen sebanyak 114 juta euro kepada syarikat Malaysia Perimekar, yang dikaitkan dengan individu yang rapat dengan Perdana Menteri sekarang, Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak .

Najib merupakan merupakan menteri pertahanan pada tahun 2002 dan bertanggungjawab dalam rundingan kontrak tersebut. Sejak tahun 2000, bayaran komisyen bagi kontrak yang berkaitan dengan pemimpin asing merupakan satu rasuah di bawah undang-undang Perancis.

Pada 2002, The DCN menyertai Thales dan kumpulan pembinaan Navantia dalam kontrak untuk menjual tiga kapal selam kepada Malaysia pada sekitar harga satu bilion euro.

Lewat April lalu, seorang jurucakap Pejabat Perdana Menteri menegaskan bahawa "tiada kes" untuk dijawab. Menurutnya, urusniaga tersebut bebas daripada rasuah dan tidak benar Perimekar mendapat manfaat secara tidak betul daripada urusniaga tersebut.



pasal canggih tu pula mai banding tengok mana lagi canggih

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1342/kds3c.jpg

nah lagi scorpene boleh challenge yang ni juga ka :sopan: :sopan:

http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/SHIP_SSN_Virginia_Class_Cutaway_lg.jpg



WHAT???

THE STATEMENT OF WIKIPEDIA WRONGGG?? :sopan:

FUNNY..FUNNY...

ALL PEOPLE USE IT TO DO RESEARCH MAAAAA.... :sopan:

YOU SEE THIS ALSOO...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fopCXYHeSrM

IT 'SURVIVE' OR 'DIED'..???? :sopan:

YOU THINK ITS FUNNY OR NOT??? :sopan:

ANSWERR MY QUESTIONNN NOWWWWWWWWWWW......... :sopan:



wakakaka......nampak sangatlah bengap........wikipedia tu siapa2 boleh edit...dah banyak kes edit hang mahu jadi bahan rujukan ka??? :lucu: :lucu:

video tu pun hang nak rujuk ka??

mai compare dengan kapal selam ni apa beza scorpene dengan kapal selam kelas virginia dari segi equipment dan kos pembinaan




.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/135-bn-for-fy-2006-virginia-class-submarine-procurement-01821/

:sopan:

WHAT??

I DISCUSS ABOUT SCORPENEEE................ :sopan:

NOT VIRGINIA OR KURNIAAAA.............. :sopan:

LET SEE MALAYSIAN SCORPENE VIDEOO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzIdmLIAE4

DONT 'ALIH-ALIH CEGHITA NOOOO...............

:sopan:




kan dah cakap,dah bengap tu bengap juga....orang bagi perbandingan hang alih cerita hang tuding orang pula

:lucu: :lucu:

awat hang bagi video promosi saja????tak ada video lain ka :sopan: :sopan:



I TALKING ABOUT SCORPENEEE....

WHY YOU 'PUSING-PUSING' HAHHH??? :sopan:

LET TALK ABOUT SCORPENEEEEEEEEEE............... :sopan:




scorpene tak banyak negara nak pakai sebab tak diyakini dari segi prestasi.....sekarang syarikat tu pula kena serbu sebab ada salah laku

now i'm talking about scorpene in terms of cost,performance

awat kos beli lagi mahal sampai bilion2???negara lain murah saja????kalah pula nak buat kapal selam virginia US lagi tu :sopan: :sopan:

bengap oh bengap


:sopan:

WHAT???

DONT BE A LIARRRR......

I WANT YOU SHOW THE EVIDENCEEE NOWWW....


SHOW ME THAT COMPANY PROFILEEEE...........

WHAT THAT COMPANY NAMEE...??

WHAT THEIR BAD PERFOMANCE...??

WHERE THIS COMPANY LOCATED..??

WHAT THEIR QOUTATION THEIR GIVE TO MALAYSIA..??

WHAT THEIR QUOTAION THEIR GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIESS..??

WHY MALAYSIA AGREED WITH THEIR TERM AND CONDITION..??

WHY MALAYSIA NOT REJECT THAT COMPANY??

WHY?? WHY???

WHYYYYYY..................??????


YOU LISTTT ITT NOWWW............

LET ME SEE ITTT............ :sopan:

HURRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.......... :sopan:



dahlah bengap,tak ikut perkembangan pula tu......

ni pasukan pendakwa perancis dah datang KL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SBzfn0CU-c&feature=player_embedded

ni pula dah siap kena probe sebab langgar anti laundering act...awat hang bodoh sangat ya???tun ajaq hang ka??? :lol: :lol:

http://www.mpkapar.com/manikavasagam/posts/perimekar-may-have-breached-anti-money-laundering-act/

ni syarikat yang hang nak tu

http://www.onesource.com/free/Perimekar-Sdn-Bhd/Company/Profile/105488480

:sopan:

WHAT??

YOU SEE THISS...

THIS IS THE TRUE ONEEE...

http://wiramalaysia2.blogspot.com/2008/05/penjelasan-isu-scorpene-dan-sukhoi.html

DONT 'PUSING-PUSING NOOO........... :sopan:

DID YOU SEE??

FUNNY OR NOT???

:sopan:




hahaha boustead pun company dah banyak kes lepas tu nak kontrak bawa balik kapal ni ka????ni company masuk blacklist awat hang highlight????

habis peguam dari sana datang sini nak saman awat nak lari hahahaha



hang ni raja lawak betul :lucu: :lucu: :lucu:


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habis tu kau cakap tak boleh survive kalau tak repair..

kau bagi lah bukti juga,survive jadah apa?kekekekekeke...

kau ni memang pencacai umno terbaik lah..kaki pusing...wakakkakakkaka


YOU WANT TO SEE MY EVIDENCE??? :sopan:

LET SEE THIS....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpwvoWH6cQs

AND THISSS....

KAPAL SELAM SCORPENE

Kapal selam kelas Scorpèmana merupakan satu kelas kapal selam penyerang berkuasa diesel-elektrik . Ia memperlihatkan pendorongan diesel dan satu tambahan pendorongan bebas udara atau "air-independent propulsion" (AIP), yang telah dibangunkan bersama oleh syarikat Perancis DCNS, sebelum itu dikenali sebagai DCN, dan syarikat Sepanyol, Navantia (Dulu dikenali sebagai Bazan, kemudian Izar).

Tentera Laut Chile telah memesan dua Scorpèmana, yang akan menggantikan dua kapal selam kelas Oberon yang telah ditamatkan perkhidmatan oleh Tentera Laut Chile. Tentera Laut DiRaja Malaysia telah memesan dua (dinamakan juga kelas Perdana Menteri, dan Tentera Laut India telah memesan enam. Semuanya akan dibina di Mazagon Dock Limited, India dan tiga terakhir akan dilengkapi dengan modul AIP. Pada tahun 2008, Tentera Laut Brazil telah memesan empat buah Scorpèmana. Terdapat juga laporan yang mengatakan bahawa kapal selam kelima telah dipesan untuk dibangunkan sendiri dengan loji pendorongan nuklear. Walaupun ia mungkin satu jenis kapal selam kelas Barrakuda. Kapal selam Scorpèmana kelas O'Higgins dan Carrera milik Chile telah disempurnakan dalam tahun 2005 dan 2006 masing-masing, dan buat masa ini hanya dua beroperasi.

sumber:wikipedia...


WHERE YOUR EVIDENCE???

I WILL BE WAITINGGG..........

DONT BE A LIARRR..........

I WANT TO SEE TOOO...... :sopan:



bagi video saja ka???ambil sumber dari wiki saja hang pandai ek....wiki tu saya pun boleh edit ikut suka saya tapi hang ambil tu jadi bukti ka???lawak betul hang ni....hang tahu copy saja tapi tak tahu apa yang diperlukan dalam nak beli peralatan tempur

Sebelumnya, Indian Navy & Chilean Navy pun sudah beli kapal selam ini, dan ternyata kapal selamnya memang tidak berfungsi dengan baik. Indian Navy bahkan menuntut kompensasi kepada pabrik kapal selam ini di Perancis atas performance kapal selam ini yang tidak bagus....

plus hang tengok ni pula???adoi boleh pula rosak pula ya...satu tak boleh tenggelam satu lagi tak boleh timbul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC-zEmeUMXU&feature=related


hah negara pengeluar pun dah pertikai kapal selam ni apa hang nak cer


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Murky arms deal linked to international pattern of kickbacks

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.


Written by John Berthelsen, Asia Sentinel

A potentially explosive scandal in Malaysia over the billion-dollar purchase of French submarines, a deal engineered by then-Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak, has broken out of the domestic arena with the filing of a request to investigate bribery and kickbacks from the deal in a Paris court.

Although the case has been contained for eight years in the cozy confines of Malaysia's courts and parliament, which are dominated by the ruling National Coalition, French lawyers William Bourdon, Renaud Semerdjian and Joseph Breham put an end to that when they filed it with Parisian prosecutors on behalf of the Malaysian human rights organization Suaram, which supports good-government causes.

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.

For two years, Parisian prosecutors, led by investigating judges Francoise Besset Francoise Besset and Jean-Christophe Hullin, have been gingerly investigating allegations involving senior French political figures and the sales of submarines and other weaponry to governments all over the world. French news reports have said the prosecutors have backed away from some of the most serious charges out of concern for the political fallout.

The allegations relate to one of France's biggest defense conglomerates, the state-owned shipbuilder DCN, which merged with the French electronics company Thales in 2005 to become a dominant force in the European defense industry. DCN's subsidiary Armaris is the manufacturer of Scorpene-class diesel submarines sold to India, Pakistan and Malaysia among other countries. All of the contracts, according to the lawyers acting for Suaram, a Malaysian human rights NGO, are said to be suspect.

With Najib having moved on from the defense portfolio he held when the deal was put together in 2002 to become prime minister and head of the country's largest political party, the mess has the potential to become a major liability for the government and the United Malays National Organisation. Given the power of UMNO, it is unlikely the scandal would ever get a complete airing in a Malaysian court, which is presumably why Suaram reached out to French prosecutors.

"The filings are very recent and have so far prompted a preliminary police inquiry on the financial aspects of the deal," said Philippe Vasset, the editor in chief of a Paris-based military intelligence website. "There isn't a formal investigation yet. The investigation will most likely use documents seized at DCN in the course of another investigation, focusing on bribes paid by DCN in Pakistan."

Vasset said police have confined their inquiry to bribery allegations so far and have not looked into the 2006 murder of a Mongolian woman in Malaysia who was a translator on the deal for Najib and his friend, Abdul Razak Baginda, during a visit to Paris.

There have been numerous deaths involving DCN defense sales in Taiwan and Pakistan. Prosecutors are suspicious that 11 French submarine engineers who were murdered in a 2002 bomb blast in Karachi – first thought to have been the work of Al Qaeda – were actually killed in retaliation for the fact that the French had reneged on millions of dollars in kickbacks to Pakistani military officers.

The Malaysian allegations revolve around the payment of €114 million to a Malaysia-based company called Perimekar, for support services surrounding the sale of the submarines. Perimekar was wholly owned by another company, KS Ombak Laut Sdn Bhd, which in turn was controlled by Najib's best friend, Razak Baginda, whose wife Mazalinda, a lawyer and former magistrate, was the principal shareholder, according to the French lawyers.

"Over the pasti years, serious cases have been investigated in France by judges involving DCN," lawyer Renaud Semerdjian told Asia Sentinel in a telephone interview. "This is not the first case of this kind that is being investigated. There are others in Pakistan and there are some issues about India. To a certain extent, every time weapons of any kind have been provided, suspicion of violation of the law may be very high."

As defense minister from 2000 to 2008, Najib commissioned a huge military buildup to upgrade Malaysia's armed forces, including two submarines from Armaris and the lease of a third, a retired French Navy Agosta-class boat. There were also Sukhoi supersonic fighter jets from Russia and millions of dollars spent on coastal patrol boats. All have come under suspicion by opposition leaders in Malaysia's parliament but UMNO has stifled any investigation. Asked personally about the cases, Najib has responded angrily and refused to reply.

Despite efforts to bury it, the case achieved considerably notoriety after the murder of Altantuya Shaariibuu, a 28-year-old Mongolian translator and Razak Baginda's jilted lover, who participated in negotiations over the purchase of the submarines. By her own admission in a letter found after her death, she was attempting to blackmail Razak Baginda for US$500,000.

She was shot in October 2006 and her body was blown up with military explosives by two bodyguards attached to Najib's office after Razak Baginda, went to Najib's chief of staff, Musa Safri, for help in keeping her away from him. Not long after being acquitted in November 2008 under questionable circumstances of participating in her murder, Razak Baginda left the country for England. The bodyguards were convicted but no motive was ever established for their actions.

The submarine deal was never brought up in court during a months-long murder trial that was marked by prosecutors, defense attorneys and the judge working studiously to keep Najib's name out of the proceedings. A private detective hired by Razak Baginda to protect him from the furious Altantuya filed a statutory declaration after the trial indicating that Najib had actually been the victim's lover and had passed her on to Razak Baginda.

The detective, P. Balasubramaniam, said later that he was unceremoniously run out of Kuala Lumpur. He eventually emerged from hiding in India to say he had been offered RM5 million (US$1.57 million) by a businessman close to Najib's wife to shut up and get out of town. He also said he had met Nazim Razak, Najib's younger brother, and was told to recant his testimony.

In the current complaint in Paris, the issue revolves around what, if anything, Razak Baginda's Perimekar company did to deserve €114 million. Zainal Abidin, the deputy defense minister at the time of the sale, told parliament that Perimekar had received the amount – 11 percent of the sale price of the submarines – for "coordination and support services." The Paris filing alleges that there were neither support nor services.

Perimekar was registered in 2001, a few months before the signing of the contracts for the sale, the Paris complaint states. The company, it said flatly, "did not have the financial resources to complete the contract." A review of the accounts in 2001 and 2002, the complaint said, "makes it an obvious fact that this corporation had absolutely no capacity, or legal means or financial ability and/or expertise to support such a contract."

"None of the directors and shareholders of Perimekar have the slightest experience in the construction, maintenance or submarine logistics," the complaint adds. "Under the terms of the contract, €114 million were related to the different stages of construction of the submarines." The apparent consideration, supposedly on the part of Perimekar, "would be apa diem and Malaysian crews and accommodation costs during their training. There is therefore no link between billing steps and stages of completion of the consideration."

As Asia Sentinel reported on April 1, services for the subs are being performed by a well-connected firm called Boustead DCNS, a joint venture between BHIC Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd, a subsidiary of publicly-listed Boustead Heavy Industries Corp Bhd, and DCNS SA, a subsidiary of DCN. Boustead's Heavy Industries Division now includes Perimekar as an "associate of the Group. PSB is involved in the marketing, upgrading, maintenance and related services for the Malaysian maritime defence industry," according to Boustead's annual report.

Originally Boustead told the Malaysian Stock Exchange that the service contract was for RM600 million (US$184.1 million) for six years, or US$30.68 million annually. However, the contract later ballooned to RM270 million apa year. Boustead Holdings is partly owned by the government and has close connections with UMNO.

"There are good grounds to believe that was created with a single objective: arrange payment of the commission and allocate the amount between different beneficiaries including Malaysian public officials and or Malaysian or foreign intermediaries," the complaint states.




depa sendiri pun pertikai cara malaysia dalam pembelian kapal selam ni...hang apa tahu??buat raja lawak saja :lucu: :lucu: :lucu:

lepas tu berdegar2 cakap kapal selam ni paling canggih......lawak betul......nah lagi hang baca berapa kos kapal ni...melampau2 tinggi

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hah ni lagi polis perancis pun serbu syarikat scorpene ni

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Polis Perancis menyerbu pejabat pengeluar senjata DCNS dan kumpulan industri Thales berhubung siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam kepada Malaysia, demikian menurut sumber kehakiman semalam. Dokumen-dokumen dirampas dalam serbuan tersebut minggu lalu, tambah sumber itu.Thales enggan mengulas perkara itu, manakala DCNS memberitahu AFP bahawa ia "tidak mengesah atau menafikan maklumat tersebut."

"Satu siasatan sedang dijalankan dan kami tidak boleh memberi sebarang komen."

Mac lalu, Pejabat pendakwaraya Paris memulakan siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam tersebut pada tahun 2002 ekoran aduan yang dibuat oleh badan hak asasi manusia dari Malaysia, Suaram. Suaram mendakwa Armaris - anak syarikat Thales dan DCN - telah membayar komisyen sebanyak 114 juta euro kepada syarikat Malaysia Perimekar, yang dikaitkan dengan individu yang rapat dengan Perdana Menteri sekarang, Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak .

Najib merupakan merupakan menteri pertahanan pada tahun 2002 dan bertanggungjawab dalam rundingan kontrak tersebut. Sejak tahun 2000, bayaran komisyen bagi kontrak yang berkaitan dengan pemimpin asing merupakan satu rasuah di bawah undang-undang Perancis.

Pada 2002, The DCN menyertai Thales dan kumpulan pembinaan Navantia dalam kontrak untuk menjual tiga kapal selam kepada Malaysia pada sekitar harga satu bilion euro.

Lewat April lalu, seorang jurucakap Pejabat Perdana Menteri menegaskan bahawa "tiada kes" untuk dijawab. Menurutnya, urusniaga tersebut bebas daripada rasuah dan tidak benar Perimekar mendapat manfaat secara tidak betul daripada urusniaga tersebut.



pasal canggih tu pula mai banding tengok mana lagi canggih

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1342/kds3c.jpg

nah lagi scorpene boleh challenge yang ni juga ka :sopan: :sopan:

http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/SHIP_SSN_Virginia_Class_Cutaway_lg.jpg



WHAT???

THE STATEMENT OF WIKIPEDIA WRONGGG?? :sopan:

FUNNY..FUNNY...

ALL PEOPLE USE IT TO DO RESEARCH MAAAAA.... :sopan:

YOU SEE THIS ALSOO...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fopCXYHeSrM

IT 'SURVIVE' OR 'DIED'..???? :sopan:

YOU THINK ITS FUNNY OR NOT??? :sopan:

ANSWERR MY QUESTIONNN NOWWWWWWWWWWW......... :sopan:



wakakaka......nampak sangatlah bengap........wikipedia tu siapa2 boleh edit...dah banyak kes edit hang mahu jadi bahan rujukan ka??? :lucu: :lucu:

video tu pun hang nak rujuk ka??

mai compare dengan kapal selam ni apa beza scorpene dengan kapal selam kelas virginia dari segi equipment dan kos pembinaan




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http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/135-bn-for-fy-2006-virginia-class-submarine-procurement-01821/

:sopan:

WHAT??

I DISCUSS ABOUT SCORPENEEE................ :sopan:

NOT VIRGINIA OR KURNIAAAA.............. :sopan:

LET SEE MALAYSIAN SCORPENE VIDEOO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzIdmLIAE4

DONT 'ALIH-ALIH CEGHITA NOOOO...............

:sopan:




kan dah cakap,dah bengap tu bengap juga....orang bagi perbandingan hang alih cerita hang tuding orang pula

:lucu: :lucu:

awat hang bagi video promosi saja????tak ada video lain ka :sopan: :sopan:



I TALKING ABOUT SCORPENEEE....

WHY YOU 'PUSING-PUSING' HAHHH??? :sopan:

LET TALK ABOUT SCORPENEEEEEEEEEE............... :sopan:




scorpene tak banyak negara nak pakai sebab tak diyakini dari segi prestasi.....sekarang syarikat tu pula kena serbu sebab ada salah laku

now i'm talking about scorpene in terms of cost,performance

awat kos beli lagi mahal sampai bilion2???negara lain murah saja????kalah pula nak buat kapal selam virginia US lagi tu :sopan: :sopan:

bengap oh bengap


:sopan:

WHAT???

DONT BE A LIARRRR......

I WANT YOU SHOW THE EVIDENCEEE NOWWW....


SHOW ME THAT COMPANY PROFILEEEE...........

WHAT THAT COMPANY NAMEE...??

WHAT THEIR BAD PERFOMANCE...??

WHERE THIS COMPANY LOCATED..??

WHAT THEIR QOUTATION THEIR GIVE TO MALAYSIA..??

WHAT THEIR QUOTAION THEIR GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIESS..??

WHY MALAYSIA AGREED WITH THEIR TERM AND CONDITION..??

WHY MALAYSIA NOT REJECT THAT COMPANY??

WHY?? WHY???

WHYYYYYY..................??????


YOU LISTTT ITT NOWWW............

LET ME SEE ITTT............ :sopan:

HURRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.......... :sopan:



dahlah bengap,tak ikut perkembangan pula tu......

ni pasukan pendakwa perancis dah datang KL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SBzfn0CU-c&feature=player_embedded

ni pula dah siap kena probe sebab langgar anti laundering act...awat hang bodoh sangat ya???tun ajaq hang ka??? :lol: :lol:

http://www.mpkapar.com/manikavasagam/posts/perimekar-may-have-breached-anti-money-laundering-act/

ni syarikat yang hang nak tu

http://www.onesource.com/free/Perimekar-Sdn-Bhd/Company/Profile/105488480

:sopan:

WHAT??

YOU SEE THISS...

THIS IS THE TRUE ONEEE...

http://wiramalaysia2.blogspot.com/2008/05/penjelasan-isu-scorpene-dan-sukhoi.html

DONT 'PUSING-PUSING NOOO........... :sopan:

DID YOU SEE??

FUNNY OR NOT???

:sopan:




hahaha boustead pun company dah banyak kes lepas tu nak kontrak bawa balik kapal ni ka????ni company masuk blacklist awat hang highlight????

habis peguam dari sana datang sini nak saman awat nak lari hahahaha



hang ni raja lawak betul :lucu: :lucu: :lucu:



ISH...ISH..ISHH...........

THE FACT IS TRUEEE...

ITS CANNOT BE CHANGE MAAAA.....

:sopan:

YOU CAN SAY ANYTHINGGG...

BUT I CAN 'MASUK TELINGA KIRI KELUAQQ TELINGA KANAN SAJAAAA LAHHHHH........... :sopan:

LET WE KNOW WHAT IS BOUSTEAD COMPANYY...

http://www.boustead.com.my/hindustry.html

YOU SEEEE...........????

AFTER THIS YOU CAN SAY ANYTHINGGGG...

DEPEND TO YOU AND ANYBODY TO BELIEVE IT OR NOTTT.... :sopan:

WHAT EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR............. :sopan:



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habis tu kau cakap tak boleh survive kalau tak repair..

kau bagi lah bukti juga,survive jadah apa?kekekekekeke...

kau ni memang pencacai umno terbaik lah..kaki pusing...wakakkakakkaka


YOU WANT TO SEE MY EVIDENCE??? :sopan:

LET SEE THIS....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpwvoWH6cQs

AND THISSS....

KAPAL SELAM SCORPENE

Kapal selam kelas Scorpèmana merupakan satu kelas kapal selam penyerang berkuasa diesel-elektrik . Ia memperlihatkan pendorongan diesel dan satu tambahan pendorongan bebas udara atau "air-independent propulsion" (AIP), yang telah dibangunkan bersama oleh syarikat Perancis DCNS, sebelum itu dikenali sebagai DCN, dan syarikat Sepanyol, Navantia (Dulu dikenali sebagai Bazan, kemudian Izar).

Tentera Laut Chile telah memesan dua Scorpèmana, yang akan menggantikan dua kapal selam kelas Oberon yang telah ditamatkan perkhidmatan oleh Tentera Laut Chile. Tentera Laut DiRaja Malaysia telah memesan dua (dinamakan juga kelas Perdana Menteri, dan Tentera Laut India telah memesan enam. Semuanya akan dibina di Mazagon Dock Limited, India dan tiga terakhir akan dilengkapi dengan modul AIP. Pada tahun 2008, Tentera Laut Brazil telah memesan empat buah Scorpèmana. Terdapat juga laporan yang mengatakan bahawa kapal selam kelima telah dipesan untuk dibangunkan sendiri dengan loji pendorongan nuklear. Walaupun ia mungkin satu jenis kapal selam kelas Barrakuda. Kapal selam Scorpèmana kelas O'Higgins dan Carrera milik Chile telah disempurnakan dalam tahun 2005 dan 2006 masing-masing, dan buat masa ini hanya dua beroperasi.

sumber:wikipedia...


WHERE YOUR EVIDENCE???

I WILL BE WAITINGGG..........

DONT BE A LIARRR..........

I WANT TO SEE TOOO...... :sopan:



bagi video saja ka???ambil sumber dari wiki saja hang pandai ek....wiki tu saya pun boleh edit ikut suka saya tapi hang ambil tu jadi bukti ka???lawak betul hang ni....hang tahu copy saja tapi tak tahu apa yang diperlukan dalam nak beli peralatan tempur

Sebelumnya, Indian Navy & Chilean Navy pun sudah beli kapal selam ini, dan ternyata kapal selamnya memang tidak berfungsi dengan baik. Indian Navy bahkan menuntut kompensasi kepada pabrik kapal selam ini di Perancis atas performance kapal selam ini yang tidak bagus....

plus hang tengok ni pula???adoi boleh pula rosak pula ya...satu tak boleh tenggelam satu lagi tak boleh timbul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC-zEmeUMXU&feature=related


hah negara pengeluar pun dah pertikai kapal selam ni apa hang nak cer


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Murky arms deal linked to international pattern of kickbacks

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.


Written by John Berthelsen, Asia Sentinel

A potentially explosive scandal in Malaysia over the billion-dollar purchase of French submarines, a deal engineered by then-Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak, has broken out of the domestic arena with the filing of a request to investigate bribery and kickbacks from the deal in a Paris court.

Although the case has been contained for eight years in the cozy confines of Malaysia's courts and parliament, which are dominated by the ruling National Coalition, French lawyers William Bourdon, Renaud Semerdjian and Joseph Breham put an end to that when they filed it with Parisian prosecutors on behalf of the Malaysian human rights organization Suaram, which supports good-government causes.

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.

For two years, Parisian prosecutors, led by investigating judges Francoise Besset Francoise Besset and Jean-Christophe Hullin, have been gingerly investigating allegations involving senior French political figures and the sales of submarines and other weaponry to governments all over the world. French news reports have said the prosecutors have backed away from some of the most serious charges out of concern for the political fallout.

The allegations relate to one of France's biggest defense conglomerates, the state-owned shipbuilder DCN, which merged with the French electronics company Thales in 2005 to become a dominant force in the European defense industry. DCN's subsidiary Armaris is the manufacturer of Scorpene-class diesel submarines sold to India, Pakistan and Malaysia among other countries. All of the contracts, according to the lawyers acting for Suaram, a Malaysian human rights NGO, are said to be suspect.

With Najib having moved on from the defense portfolio he held when the deal was put together in 2002 to become prime minister and head of the country's largest political party, the mess has the potential to become a major liability for the government and the United Malays National Organisation. Given the power of UMNO, it is unlikely the scandal would ever get a complete airing in a Malaysian court, which is presumably why Suaram reached out to French prosecutors.

"The filings are very recent and have so far prompted a preliminary police inquiry on the financial aspects of the deal," said Philippe Vasset, the editor in chief of a Paris-based military intelligence website. "There isn't a formal investigation yet. The investigation will most likely use documents seized at DCN in the course of another investigation, focusing on bribes paid by DCN in Pakistan."

Vasset said police have confined their inquiry to bribery allegations so far and have not looked into the 2006 murder of a Mongolian woman in Malaysia who was a translator on the deal for Najib and his friend, Abdul Razak Baginda, during a visit to Paris.

There have been numerous deaths involving DCN defense sales in Taiwan and Pakistan. Prosecutors are suspicious that 11 French submarine engineers who were murdered in a 2002 bomb blast in Karachi – first thought to have been the work of Al Qaeda – were actually killed in retaliation for the fact that the French had reneged on millions of dollars in kickbacks to Pakistani military officers.

The Malaysian allegations revolve around the payment of €114 million to a Malaysia-based company called Perimekar, for support services surrounding the sale of the submarines. Perimekar was wholly owned by another company, KS Ombak Laut Sdn Bhd, which in turn was controlled by Najib's best friend, Razak Baginda, whose wife Mazalinda, a lawyer and former magistrate, was the principal shareholder, according to the French lawyers.

"Over the pasti years, serious cases have been investigated in France by judges involving DCN," lawyer Renaud Semerdjian told Asia Sentinel in a telephone interview. "This is not the first case of this kind that is being investigated. There are others in Pakistan and there are some issues about India. To a certain extent, every time weapons of any kind have been provided, suspicion of violation of the law may be very high."

As defense minister from 2000 to 2008, Najib commissioned a huge military buildup to upgrade Malaysia's armed forces, including two submarines from Armaris and the lease of a third, a retired French Navy Agosta-class boat. There were also Sukhoi supersonic fighter jets from Russia and millions of dollars spent on coastal patrol boats. All have come under suspicion by opposition leaders in Malaysia's parliament but UMNO has stifled any investigation. Asked personally about the cases, Najib has responded angrily and refused to reply.

Despite efforts to bury it, the case achieved considerably notoriety after the murder of Altantuya Shaariibuu, a 28-year-old Mongolian translator and Razak Baginda's jilted lover, who participated in negotiations over the purchase of the submarines. By her own admission in a letter found after her death, she was attempting to blackmail Razak Baginda for US$500,000.

She was shot in October 2006 and her body was blown up with military explosives by two bodyguards attached to Najib's office after Razak Baginda, went to Najib's chief of staff, Musa Safri, for help in keeping her away from him. Not long after being acquitted in November 2008 under questionable circumstances of participating in her murder, Razak Baginda left the country for England. The bodyguards were convicted but no motive was ever established for their actions.

The submarine deal was never brought up in court during a months-long murder trial that was marked by prosecutors, defense attorneys and the judge working studiously to keep Najib's name out of the proceedings. A private detective hired by Razak Baginda to protect him from the furious Altantuya filed a statutory declaration after the trial indicating that Najib had actually been the victim's lover and had passed her on to Razak Baginda.

The detective, P. Balasubramaniam, said later that he was unceremoniously run out of Kuala Lumpur. He eventually emerged from hiding in India to say he had been offered RM5 million (US$1.57 million) by a businessman close to Najib's wife to shut up and get out of town. He also said he had met Nazim Razak, Najib's younger brother, and was told to recant his testimony.

In the current complaint in Paris, the issue revolves around what, if anything, Razak Baginda's Perimekar company did to deserve €114 million. Zainal Abidin, the deputy defense minister at the time of the sale, told parliament that Perimekar had received the amount – 11 percent of the sale price of the submarines – for "coordination and support services." The Paris filing alleges that there were neither support nor services.

Perimekar was registered in 2001, a few months before the signing of the contracts for the sale, the Paris complaint states. The company, it said flatly, "did not have the financial resources to complete the contract." A review of the accounts in 2001 and 2002, the complaint said, "makes it an obvious fact that this corporation had absolutely no capacity, or legal means or financial ability and/or expertise to support such a contract."

"None of the directors and shareholders of Perimekar have the slightest experience in the construction, maintenance or submarine logistics," the complaint adds. "Under the terms of the contract, €114 million were related to the different stages of construction of the submarines." The apparent consideration, supposedly on the part of Perimekar, "would be apa diem and Malaysian crews and accommodation costs during their training. There is therefore no link between billing steps and stages of completion of the consideration."

As Asia Sentinel reported on April 1, services for the subs are being performed by a well-connected firm called Boustead DCNS, a joint venture between BHIC Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd, a subsidiary of publicly-listed Boustead Heavy Industries Corp Bhd, and DCNS SA, a subsidiary of DCN. Boustead's Heavy Industries Division now includes Perimekar as an "associate of the Group. PSB is involved in the marketing, upgrading, maintenance and related services for the Malaysian maritime defence industry," according to Boustead's annual report.

Originally Boustead told the Malaysian Stock Exchange that the service contract was for RM600 million (US$184.1 million) for six years, or US$30.68 million annually. However, the contract later ballooned to RM270 million apa year. Boustead Holdings is partly owned by the government and has close connections with UMNO.

"There are good grounds to believe that was created with a single objective: arrange payment of the commission and allocate the amount between different beneficiaries including Malaysian public officials and or Malaysian or foreign intermediaries," the complaint states.




depa sendiri pun pertikai cara malaysia dalam pembelian kapal selam ni...hang apa tahu??buat raja lawak saja :lucu: :lucu: :lucu:

lepas tu berdegar2 cakap kapal selam ni paling canggih......lawak betul......nah lagi hang baca berapa kos kapal ni...melampau2 tinggi

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hah ni lagi polis perancis pun serbu syarikat scorpene ni

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Polis Perancis menyerbu pejabat pengeluar senjata DCNS dan kumpulan industri Thales berhubung siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam kepada Malaysia, demikian menurut sumber kehakiman semalam. Dokumen-dokumen dirampas dalam serbuan tersebut minggu lalu, tambah sumber itu.Thales enggan mengulas perkara itu, manakala DCNS memberitahu AFP bahawa ia "tidak mengesah atau menafikan maklumat tersebut."

"Satu siasatan sedang dijalankan dan kami tidak boleh memberi sebarang komen."

Mac lalu, Pejabat pendakwaraya Paris memulakan siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam tersebut pada tahun 2002 ekoran aduan yang dibuat oleh badan hak asasi manusia dari Malaysia, Suaram. Suaram mendakwa Armaris - anak syarikat Thales dan DCN - telah membayar komisyen sebanyak 114 juta euro kepada syarikat Malaysia Perimekar, yang dikaitkan dengan individu yang rapat dengan Perdana Menteri sekarang, Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak .

Najib merupakan merupakan menteri pertahanan pada tahun 2002 dan bertanggungjawab dalam rundingan kontrak tersebut. Sejak tahun 2000, bayaran komisyen bagi kontrak yang berkaitan dengan pemimpin asing merupakan satu rasuah di bawah undang-undang Perancis.

Pada 2002, The DCN menyertai Thales dan kumpulan pembinaan Navantia dalam kontrak untuk menjual tiga kapal selam kepada Malaysia pada sekitar harga satu bilion euro.

Lewat April lalu, seorang jurucakap Pejabat Perdana Menteri menegaskan bahawa "tiada kes" untuk dijawab. Menurutnya, urusniaga tersebut bebas daripada rasuah dan tidak benar Perimekar mendapat manfaat secara tidak betul daripada urusniaga tersebut.



pasal canggih tu pula mai banding tengok mana lagi canggih

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1342/kds3c.jpg

nah lagi scorpene boleh challenge yang ni juga ka :sopan: :sopan:

http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/SHIP_SSN_Virginia_Class_Cutaway_lg.jpg



WHAT???

THE STATEMENT OF WIKIPEDIA WRONGGG?? :sopan:

FUNNY..FUNNY...

ALL PEOPLE USE IT TO DO RESEARCH MAAAAA.... :sopan:

YOU SEE THIS ALSOO...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fopCXYHeSrM

IT 'SURVIVE' OR 'DIED'..???? :sopan:

YOU THINK ITS FUNNY OR NOT??? :sopan:

ANSWERR MY QUESTIONNN NOWWWWWWWWWWW......... :sopan:



wakakaka......nampak sangatlah bengap........wikipedia tu siapa2 boleh edit...dah banyak kes edit hang mahu jadi bahan rujukan ka??? :lucu: :lucu:

video tu pun hang nak rujuk ka??

mai compare dengan kapal selam ni apa beza scorpene dengan kapal selam kelas virginia dari segi equipment dan kos pembinaan




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http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/135-bn-for-fy-2006-virginia-class-submarine-procurement-01821/

:sopan:

WHAT??

I DISCUSS ABOUT SCORPENEEE................ :sopan:

NOT VIRGINIA OR KURNIAAAA.............. :sopan:

LET SEE MALAYSIAN SCORPENE VIDEOO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzIdmLIAE4

DONT 'ALIH-ALIH CEGHITA NOOOO...............

:sopan:




kan dah cakap,dah bengap tu bengap juga....orang bagi perbandingan hang alih cerita hang tuding orang pula

:lucu: :lucu:

awat hang bagi video promosi saja????tak ada video lain ka :sopan: :sopan:



I TALKING ABOUT SCORPENEEE....

WHY YOU 'PUSING-PUSING' HAHHH??? :sopan:

LET TALK ABOUT SCORPENEEEEEEEEEE............... :sopan:




scorpene tak banyak negara nak pakai sebab tak diyakini dari segi prestasi.....sekarang syarikat tu pula kena serbu sebab ada salah laku

now i'm talking about scorpene in terms of cost,performance

awat kos beli lagi mahal sampai bilion2???negara lain murah saja????kalah pula nak buat kapal selam virginia US lagi tu :sopan: :sopan:

bengap oh bengap


:sopan:

WHAT???

DONT BE A LIARRRR......

I WANT YOU SHOW THE EVIDENCEEE NOWWW....


SHOW ME THAT COMPANY PROFILEEEE...........

WHAT THAT COMPANY NAMEE...??

WHAT THEIR BAD PERFOMANCE...??

WHERE THIS COMPANY LOCATED..??

WHAT THEIR QOUTATION THEIR GIVE TO MALAYSIA..??

WHAT THEIR QUOTAION THEIR GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIESS..??

WHY MALAYSIA AGREED WITH THEIR TERM AND CONDITION..??

WHY MALAYSIA NOT REJECT THAT COMPANY??

WHY?? WHY???

WHYYYYYY..................??????


YOU LISTTT ITT NOWWW............

LET ME SEE ITTT............ :sopan:

HURRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.......... :sopan:



dahlah bengap,tak ikut perkembangan pula tu......

ni pasukan pendakwa perancis dah datang KL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SBzfn0CU-c&feature=player_embedded

ni pula dah siap kena probe sebab langgar anti laundering act...awat hang bodoh sangat ya???tun ajaq hang ka??? :lol: :lol:

http://www.mpkapar.com/manikavasagam/posts/perimekar-may-have-breached-anti-money-laundering-act/

ni syarikat yang hang nak tu

http://www.onesource.com/free/Perimekar-Sdn-Bhd/Company/Profile/105488480

:sopan:

WHAT??

YOU SEE THISS...

THIS IS THE TRUE ONEEE...

http://wiramalaysia2.blogspot.com/2008/05/penjelasan-isu-scorpene-dan-sukhoi.html

DONT 'PUSING-PUSING NOOO........... :sopan:

DID YOU SEE??

FUNNY OR NOT???

:sopan:




hahaha boustead pun company dah banyak kes lepas tu nak kontrak bawa balik kapal ni ka????ni company masuk blacklist awat hang highlight????

habis peguam dari sana datang sini nak saman awat nak lari hahahaha



hang ni raja lawak betul :lucu: :lucu: :lucu:



ISH...ISH..ISHH...........

THE FACT IS TRUEEE...

ITS CANNOT BE CHANGE MAAAA.....

:sopan:

YOU CAN SAY ANYTHINGGG...

BUT I CAN 'MASUK TELINGA KIRI KELUAQQ TELINGA KANAN SAJAAAA LAHHHHH........... :sopan:

LET WE KNOW WHAT IS BOUSTEAD COMPANYY...

http://www.boustead.com.my/hindustry.html

YOU SEEEE...........????

AFTER THIS YOU CAN SAY ANYTHINGGGG...

DEPEND TO YOU AND ANYBODY TO BELIEVE IT OR NOTTT.... :sopan:

WHAT EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR............. :sopan:




lagi kasihan saya tengok hang ni noo....hang pernah ka involve beli benda-benda ni

http://shamsuliskandar.wordpress.com/2010/04/17/siasatan-kes-rasuah-scorpene-bermula-di-perancis-masa-depan-najib-terancam/

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habis tu kau cakap tak boleh survive kalau tak repair..

kau bagi lah bukti juga,survive jadah apa?kekekekekeke...

kau ni memang pencacai umno terbaik lah..kaki pusing...wakakkakakkaka


YOU WANT TO SEE MY EVIDENCE??? :sopan:

LET SEE THIS....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpwvoWH6cQs

AND THISSS....

KAPAL SELAM SCORPENE

Kapal selam kelas Scorpèmana merupakan satu kelas kapal selam penyerang berkuasa diesel-elektrik . Ia memperlihatkan pendorongan diesel dan satu tambahan pendorongan bebas udara atau "air-independent propulsion" (AIP), yang telah dibangunkan bersama oleh syarikat Perancis DCNS, sebelum itu dikenali sebagai DCN, dan syarikat Sepanyol, Navantia (Dulu dikenali sebagai Bazan, kemudian Izar).

Tentera Laut Chile telah memesan dua Scorpèmana, yang akan menggantikan dua kapal selam kelas Oberon yang telah ditamatkan perkhidmatan oleh Tentera Laut Chile. Tentera Laut DiRaja Malaysia telah memesan dua (dinamakan juga kelas Perdana Menteri, dan Tentera Laut India telah memesan enam. Semuanya akan dibina di Mazagon Dock Limited, India dan tiga terakhir akan dilengkapi dengan modul AIP. Pada tahun 2008, Tentera Laut Brazil telah memesan empat buah Scorpèmana. Terdapat juga laporan yang mengatakan bahawa kapal selam kelima telah dipesan untuk dibangunkan sendiri dengan loji pendorongan nuklear. Walaupun ia mungkin satu jenis kapal selam kelas Barrakuda. Kapal selam Scorpèmana kelas O'Higgins dan Carrera milik Chile telah disempurnakan dalam tahun 2005 dan 2006 masing-masing, dan buat masa ini hanya dua beroperasi.

sumber:wikipedia...


WHERE YOUR EVIDENCE???

I WILL BE WAITINGGG..........

DONT BE A LIARRR..........

I WANT TO SEE TOOO...... :sopan:



bagi video saja ka???ambil sumber dari wiki saja hang pandai ek....wiki tu saya pun boleh edit ikut suka saya tapi hang ambil tu jadi bukti ka???lawak betul hang ni....hang tahu copy saja tapi tak tahu apa yang diperlukan dalam nak beli peralatan tempur

Sebelumnya, Indian Navy & Chilean Navy pun sudah beli kapal selam ini, dan ternyata kapal selamnya memang tidak berfungsi dengan baik. Indian Navy bahkan menuntut kompensasi kepada pabrik kapal selam ini di Perancis atas performance kapal selam ini yang tidak bagus....

plus hang tengok ni pula???adoi boleh pula rosak pula ya...satu tak boleh tenggelam satu lagi tak boleh timbul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC-zEmeUMXU&feature=related


hah negara pengeluar pun dah pertikai kapal selam ni apa hang nak cer


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Murky arms deal linked to international pattern of kickbacks

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.


Written by John Berthelsen, Asia Sentinel

A potentially explosive scandal in Malaysia over the billion-dollar purchase of French submarines, a deal engineered by then-Defense Minister Najib Tun Razak, has broken out of the domestic arena with the filing of a request to investigate bribery and kickbacks from the deal in a Paris court.

Although the case has been contained for eight years in the cozy confines of Malaysia's courts and parliament, which are dominated by the ruling National Coalition, French lawyers William Bourdon, Renaud Semerdjian and Joseph Breham put an end to that when they filed it with Parisian prosecutors on behalf of the Malaysian human rights organization Suaram, which supports good-government causes.

Judges in the Paris Prosecution Office have been probing a wide range of corruption charges involving similar submarine sales and the possibility of bribery and kickbacks to top officials in France, Pakistan and other countries. The Malaysian piece of the puzzle was added in two filings, on Dec. 4, 2009 and Feb. 23 this year.

For two years, Parisian prosecutors, led by investigating judges Francoise Besset Francoise Besset and Jean-Christophe Hullin, have been gingerly investigating allegations involving senior French political figures and the sales of submarines and other weaponry to governments all over the world. French news reports have said the prosecutors have backed away from some of the most serious charges out of concern for the political fallout.

The allegations relate to one of France's biggest defense conglomerates, the state-owned shipbuilder DCN, which merged with the French electronics company Thales in 2005 to become a dominant force in the European defense industry. DCN's subsidiary Armaris is the manufacturer of Scorpene-class diesel submarines sold to India, Pakistan and Malaysia among other countries. All of the contracts, according to the lawyers acting for Suaram, a Malaysian human rights NGO, are said to be suspect.

With Najib having moved on from the defense portfolio he held when the deal was put together in 2002 to become prime minister and head of the country's largest political party, the mess has the potential to become a major liability for the government and the United Malays National Organisation. Given the power of UMNO, it is unlikely the scandal would ever get a complete airing in a Malaysian court, which is presumably why Suaram reached out to French prosecutors.

"The filings are very recent and have so far prompted a preliminary police inquiry on the financial aspects of the deal," said Philippe Vasset, the editor in chief of a Paris-based military intelligence website. "There isn't a formal investigation yet. The investigation will most likely use documents seized at DCN in the course of another investigation, focusing on bribes paid by DCN in Pakistan."

Vasset said police have confined their inquiry to bribery allegations so far and have not looked into the 2006 murder of a Mongolian woman in Malaysia who was a translator on the deal for Najib and his friend, Abdul Razak Baginda, during a visit to Paris.

There have been numerous deaths involving DCN defense sales in Taiwan and Pakistan. Prosecutors are suspicious that 11 French submarine engineers who were murdered in a 2002 bomb blast in Karachi – first thought to have been the work of Al Qaeda – were actually killed in retaliation for the fact that the French had reneged on millions of dollars in kickbacks to Pakistani military officers.

The Malaysian allegations revolve around the payment of €114 million to a Malaysia-based company called Perimekar, for support services surrounding the sale of the submarines. Perimekar was wholly owned by another company, KS Ombak Laut Sdn Bhd, which in turn was controlled by Najib's best friend, Razak Baginda, whose wife Mazalinda, a lawyer and former magistrate, was the principal shareholder, according to the French lawyers.

"Over the pasti years, serious cases have been investigated in France by judges involving DCN," lawyer Renaud Semerdjian told Asia Sentinel in a telephone interview. "This is not the first case of this kind that is being investigated. There are others in Pakistan and there are some issues about India. To a certain extent, every time weapons of any kind have been provided, suspicion of violation of the law may be very high."

As defense minister from 2000 to 2008, Najib commissioned a huge military buildup to upgrade Malaysia's armed forces, including two submarines from Armaris and the lease of a third, a retired French Navy Agosta-class boat. There were also Sukhoi supersonic fighter jets from Russia and millions of dollars spent on coastal patrol boats. All have come under suspicion by opposition leaders in Malaysia's parliament but UMNO has stifled any investigation. Asked personally about the cases, Najib has responded angrily and refused to reply.

Despite efforts to bury it, the case achieved considerably notoriety after the murder of Altantuya Shaariibuu, a 28-year-old Mongolian translator and Razak Baginda's jilted lover, who participated in negotiations over the purchase of the submarines. By her own admission in a letter found after her death, she was attempting to blackmail Razak Baginda for US$500,000.

She was shot in October 2006 and her body was blown up with military explosives by two bodyguards attached to Najib's office after Razak Baginda, went to Najib's chief of staff, Musa Safri, for help in keeping her away from him. Not long after being acquitted in November 2008 under questionable circumstances of participating in her murder, Razak Baginda left the country for England. The bodyguards were convicted but no motive was ever established for their actions.

The submarine deal was never brought up in court during a months-long murder trial that was marked by prosecutors, defense attorneys and the judge working studiously to keep Najib's name out of the proceedings. A private detective hired by Razak Baginda to protect him from the furious Altantuya filed a statutory declaration after the trial indicating that Najib had actually been the victim's lover and had passed her on to Razak Baginda.

The detective, P. Balasubramaniam, said later that he was unceremoniously run out of Kuala Lumpur. He eventually emerged from hiding in India to say he had been offered RM5 million (US$1.57 million) by a businessman close to Najib's wife to shut up and get out of town. He also said he had met Nazim Razak, Najib's younger brother, and was told to recant his testimony.

In the current complaint in Paris, the issue revolves around what, if anything, Razak Baginda's Perimekar company did to deserve €114 million. Zainal Abidin, the deputy defense minister at the time of the sale, told parliament that Perimekar had received the amount – 11 percent of the sale price of the submarines – for "coordination and support services." The Paris filing alleges that there were neither support nor services.

Perimekar was registered in 2001, a few months before the signing of the contracts for the sale, the Paris complaint states. The company, it said flatly, "did not have the financial resources to complete the contract." A review of the accounts in 2001 and 2002, the complaint said, "makes it an obvious fact that this corporation had absolutely no capacity, or legal means or financial ability and/or expertise to support such a contract."

"None of the directors and shareholders of Perimekar have the slightest experience in the construction, maintenance or submarine logistics," the complaint adds. "Under the terms of the contract, €114 million were related to the different stages of construction of the submarines." The apparent consideration, supposedly on the part of Perimekar, "would be apa diem and Malaysian crews and accommodation costs during their training. There is therefore no link between billing steps and stages of completion of the consideration."

As Asia Sentinel reported on April 1, services for the subs are being performed by a well-connected firm called Boustead DCNS, a joint venture between BHIC Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd, a subsidiary of publicly-listed Boustead Heavy Industries Corp Bhd, and DCNS SA, a subsidiary of DCN. Boustead's Heavy Industries Division now includes Perimekar as an "associate of the Group. PSB is involved in the marketing, upgrading, maintenance and related services for the Malaysian maritime defence industry," according to Boustead's annual report.

Originally Boustead told the Malaysian Stock Exchange that the service contract was for RM600 million (US$184.1 million) for six years, or US$30.68 million annually. However, the contract later ballooned to RM270 million apa year. Boustead Holdings is partly owned by the government and has close connections with UMNO.

"There are good grounds to believe that was created with a single objective: arrange payment of the commission and allocate the amount between different beneficiaries including Malaysian public officials and or Malaysian or foreign intermediaries," the complaint states.




depa sendiri pun pertikai cara malaysia dalam pembelian kapal selam ni...hang apa tahu??buat raja lawak saja :lucu: :lucu: :lucu:

lepas tu berdegar2 cakap kapal selam ni paling canggih......lawak betul......nah lagi hang baca berapa kos kapal ni...melampau2 tinggi

.


hah ni lagi polis perancis pun serbu syarikat scorpene ni

!!! QUOTE !!!

Polis Perancis menyerbu pejabat pengeluar senjata DCNS dan kumpulan industri Thales berhubung siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam kepada Malaysia, demikian menurut sumber kehakiman semalam. Dokumen-dokumen dirampas dalam serbuan tersebut minggu lalu, tambah sumber itu.Thales enggan mengulas perkara itu, manakala DCNS memberitahu AFP bahawa ia "tidak mengesah atau menafikan maklumat tersebut."

"Satu siasatan sedang dijalankan dan kami tidak boleh memberi sebarang komen."

Mac lalu, Pejabat pendakwaraya Paris memulakan siasatan terhadap penjualan kapal selam tersebut pada tahun 2002 ekoran aduan yang dibuat oleh badan hak asasi manusia dari Malaysia, Suaram. Suaram mendakwa Armaris - anak syarikat Thales dan DCN - telah membayar komisyen sebanyak 114 juta euro kepada syarikat Malaysia Perimekar, yang dikaitkan dengan individu yang rapat dengan Perdana Menteri sekarang, Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak .

Najib merupakan merupakan menteri pertahanan pada tahun 2002 dan bertanggungjawab dalam rundingan kontrak tersebut. Sejak tahun 2000, bayaran komisyen bagi kontrak yang berkaitan dengan pemimpin asing merupakan satu rasuah di bawah undang-undang Perancis.

Pada 2002, The DCN menyertai Thales dan kumpulan pembinaan Navantia dalam kontrak untuk menjual tiga kapal selam kepada Malaysia pada sekitar harga satu bilion euro.

Lewat April lalu, seorang jurucakap Pejabat Perdana Menteri menegaskan bahawa "tiada kes" untuk dijawab. Menurutnya, urusniaga tersebut bebas daripada rasuah dan tidak benar Perimekar mendapat manfaat secara tidak betul daripada urusniaga tersebut.



pasal canggih tu pula mai banding tengok mana lagi canggih

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1342/kds3c.jpg

nah lagi scorpene boleh challenge yang ni juga ka :sopan: :sopan:

http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/SHIP_SSN_Virginia_Class_Cutaway_lg.jpg



WHAT???

THE STATEMENT OF WIKIPEDIA WRONGGG?? :sopan:

FUNNY..FUNNY...

ALL PEOPLE USE IT TO DO RESEARCH MAAAAA.... :sopan:

YOU SEE THIS ALSOO...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fopCXYHeSrM

IT 'SURVIVE' OR 'DIED'..???? :sopan:

YOU THINK ITS FUNNY OR NOT??? :sopan:

ANSWERR MY QUESTIONNN NOWWWWWWWWWWW......... :sopan:



wakakaka......nampak sangatlah bengap........wikipedia tu siapa2 boleh edit...dah banyak kes edit hang mahu jadi bahan rujukan ka??? :lucu: :lucu:

video tu pun hang nak rujuk ka??

mai compare dengan kapal selam ni apa beza scorpene dengan kapal selam kelas virginia dari segi equipment dan kos pembinaan




.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/135-bn-for-fy-2006-virginia-class-submarine-procurement-01821/

:sopan:

WHAT??

I DISCUSS ABOUT SCORPENEEE................ :sopan:

NOT VIRGINIA OR KURNIAAAA.............. :sopan:

LET SEE MALAYSIAN SCORPENE VIDEOO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRzIdmLIAE4

DONT 'ALIH-ALIH CEGHITA NOOOO...............

:sopan:




kan dah cakap,dah bengap tu bengap juga....orang bagi perbandingan hang alih cerita hang tuding orang pula

:lucu: :lucu:

awat hang bagi video promosi saja????tak ada video lain ka :sopan: :sopan:



I TALKING ABOUT SCORPENEEE....

WHY YOU 'PUSING-PUSING' HAHHH??? :sopan:

LET TALK ABOUT SCORPENEEEEEEEEEE............... :sopan:




scorpene tak banyak negara nak pakai sebab tak diyakini dari segi prestasi.....sekarang syarikat tu pula kena serbu sebab ada salah laku

now i'm talking about scorpene in terms of cost,performance

awat kos beli lagi mahal sampai bilion2???negara lain murah saja????kalah pula nak buat kapal selam virginia US lagi tu :sopan: :sopan:

bengap oh bengap


:sopan:

WHAT???

DONT BE A LIARRRR......

I WANT YOU SHOW THE EVIDENCEEE NOWWW....


SHOW ME THAT COMPANY PROFILEEEE...........

WHAT THAT COMPANY NAMEE...??

WHAT THEIR BAD PERFOMANCE...??

WHERE THIS COMPANY LOCATED..??

WHAT THEIR QOUTATION THEIR GIVE TO MALAYSIA..??

WHAT THEIR QUOTAION THEIR GIVE TO OTHER COUNTRIESS..??

WHY MALAYSIA AGREED WITH THEIR TERM AND CONDITION..??

WHY MALAYSIA NOT REJECT THAT COMPANY??

WHY?? WHY???

WHYYYYYY..................??????


YOU LISTTT ITT NOWWW............

LET ME SEE ITTT............ :sopan:

HURRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.......... :sopan:



dahlah bengap,tak ikut perkembangan pula tu......

ni pasukan pendakwa perancis dah datang KL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SBzfn0CU-c&feature=player_embedded

ni pula dah siap kena probe sebab langgar anti laundering act...awat hang bodoh sangat ya???tun ajaq hang ka??? :lol: :lol:

http://www.mpkapar.com/manikavasagam/posts/perimekar-may-have-breached-anti-money-laundering-act/

ni syarikat yang hang nak tu

http://www.onesource.com/free/Perimekar-Sdn-Bhd/Company/Profile/105488480

:sopan:

WHAT??

YOU SEE THISS...

THIS IS THE TRUE ONEEE...

http://wiramalaysia2.blogspot.com/2008/05/penjelasan-isu-scorpene-dan-sukhoi.html

DONT 'PUSING-PUSING NOOO........... :sopan:

DID YOU SEE??

FUNNY OR NOT???

:sopan:




hahaha boustead pun company dah banyak kes lepas tu nak kontrak bawa balik kapal ni ka????ni company masuk blacklist awat hang highlight????

habis peguam dari sana datang sini nak saman awat nak lari hahahaha



hang ni raja lawak betul :lucu: :lucu: :lucu:



ISH...ISH..ISHH...........

THE FACT IS TRUEEE...

ITS CANNOT BE CHANGE MAAAA.....

:sopan:

YOU CAN SAY ANYTHINGGG...

BUT I CAN 'MASUK TELINGA KIRI KELUAQQ TELINGA KANAN SAJAAAA LAHHHHH........... :sopan:

LET WE KNOW WHAT IS BOUSTEAD COMPANYY...

http://www.boustead.com.my/hindustry.html

YOU SEEEE...........????

AFTER THIS YOU CAN SAY ANYTHINGGGG...

DEPEND TO YOU AND ANYBODY TO BELIEVE IT OR NOTTT.... :sopan:

WHAT EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR............. :sopan:




lagi kasihan saya tengok hang ni noo....hang pernah ka involve beli benda-benda ni

http://shamsuliskandar.wordpress.com/2010/04/17/siasatan-kes-rasuah-scorpene-bermula-di-perancis-masa-depan-najib-terancam/

end



WHAT??

WHAT??

WHAT??

WHAT EVEEERRRRRRRRRRRRR................... :sopan:



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salam..
FirdausNur kalah teruk!! haa..lepas ni nak menjawab lah tu. dok diam-diam lah.

adik-adik, abang-abang kakak2 di luar sana nilai lah sendiri. berpandukan dalil dan hujah yang telah diketengahkan oleh FirdausNur dan Rashdin.


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Rashdin
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Pada 06-04-11 21:50 , ashabul_mukminin posting:

!!! QUOTE !!!

salam..
FirdausNur kalah teruk!! haa..lepas ni nak menjawab lah tu. dok diam-diam lah.

adik-adik, abang-abang kakak2 di luar sana nilai lah sendiri. berpandukan dalil dan hujah yang telah diketengahkan oleh FirdausNur dan Rashdin.




erkk???nama saya disebut???err huhhu tak adalah data2 diambil dari orang dalam ATM saja....jiran saya pegawai tinggi ATm jadi saya tahu serba sikit isu ni


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hahhaha

jiran firdausnur pulak perdana menteri kut....semua benda dia tau...hahahhaha

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Finally we come to the conclusion. I didn't mention any but everybody can predict what the reply will be. Let it be.

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